To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

@PiggleToes is right
If you start off being divisive it's going to end in division. How else could it end?

I’m relieved to see this

Well you would say that, wouldn't you.

If you start off being divisive

Like shunning lesbians for not sleeping with men, you mean? That sort of divisive?

if You are referring to the “sexual racists” comments, I think almost everyone agrees they were at least divisive and unhelpful. Wasn’t she forced to resign from stonewall?

This is transphobia.

PS, it's a legally protected belief that gender identity ideology is harmful to women and LGB people. It's been tested multiple times in court when people have been discriminated against because they don't believe males can be women and vice versa. They have won damages and apologies. So you might need to be more circumspect with how you treat people with different beliefs to you, in the workplace for eg.

I’m not going to stop calling transphobia, transphobia if that’s what you are recommending?

@PiggleToes you seem to embrace intolerance of others’ beliefs when it comes to same sex attraction

The LGBA is based on sex based attraction not gender, that is a belief that people can have

For the sake of tolerance and acceptance can you not say ok you are different, why do you try to override some gay and lesbian people?

if You are referring to the “sexual racists” comments

I'm referring to the entire environment which gave rise to these comments. It wasn't just Nancy Kelley, she was quite late to the party.

I’m not going to stop calling transphobia, transphobia if that’s what you are recommending?

Of course you are free to do whatever you like, whether or not it's a wise thing to do.

If some LGB people wish for the de-legitimisation of trans experience and the exclusion of trans people from participation in society

How is a lesbian saying they don't wish to sleep with someone, de-legitimising that persons trans experience ? As a straight woman, I would hazard that about 99.9% of the planet don't want to sleep with me, and the other 0.1% would have to catch me during the 20 seconds of a day when I might be up for it, doesn't stop me being a straight woman, it doesn't have any impact on my sexuality or my lived authentic life ?

This has been covered

So why do you override some gay and lesbian people?

I don’t think the intolerance you are showing is the right way to go.

How is a lesbian saying they don't wish to sleep with someone, de-legitimising that persons trans experience

it’s not! To be clear, I fully adhere to the principle that anyone can sleep or refuse to sleep with anyone they want for any reason. (As long as it’s consensual/ not criminal of course)

I do not believe in Gender.
It is impossible for a mammal to change sex.
People can dress as they choose.
But reality will out.

So why do you override some gay and lesbian people?

Can you please explain what you mean?

To be clear, I fully adhere to the principle that anyone can sleep or refuse to sleep with anyone they want for any reason.

So it's fine for a lesbian to tell a male person who identifies as a woman that she's not interested because she's a lesbian then?

You are not willing to accept that the views of the LGBA can be held and accepted, that they are ok

That reflects intolerance of the views of some gay and lesbian people

To be clear, I fully adhere to the principle that anyone can sleep or refuse to sleep with anyone they want for any reason. (As long as it’s consensual/ not criminal of course)

Anyone can choose to be attracted to a type as well, obviously that would massively limit some peoples opportunity for a shag, but they are well within their rights to say 'I am only attracted to blonde haired, blue eyed people' , 'I will only date people above a certain height/below a certain weight, who earn a certain amount, who do or don't have tattoo's etc' . So for a lesbian to say I am limiting my dating pool to just women who were born women is no different is it ?

It’s a fine as telling someone , for example:

“I’m not interested because you are fat”.

So, no, not my idea of “fine”.

Fine would be simply, “I’m not interested”.

What about 'I am not interested in you because I am same sex attracted and you are a man'

Yes I absolutely agree with all of this.

if someone said “'I am only attracted to blonde haired, blue eyed people“, I would definitely think that statement was racist, at the same time I would fully respect their right to limit their dating pool as they wish. No one should ever be compelled to date anyone

What about 'I am not interested in you because I am same sex attracted and you are a man'

Exactly. That's fine too, right?

As above

That's a very simplistic argument.

There are LGB issues that are in conflict with Trans issues, it makes sense that a space is created for each side to explore and establish where they stand on those issue.

That separate space is not an irreparable chasm, its a health way to approach an important conversation.

Attacks on LGB spaces and a lack of respect for LGB people will lead to division. Shouting "transphobic" at anyone who isn't throwing confetti at whatever they say will cause division. Attacks on other groups who are similarly taking time to assess what all of this means for their community will cause division.

Most LGB people that I know don't have an issue with trans people, they want to be sure that the rights they have won't be eroded.

Most women that I know don't have an issue with trans people but want assurances that if they were rated they could go to a female only space, they can request a female to perform intimate examinations.

My lived experience of this debate is that most people don't have an issue with trans people but feel let down because they are not met with the respect and understanding that they try to extend.