To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

No one has the "right" not to be inconvenienced, whether it's justifiable to deliberately do so is entirely a matter of opinion, and these vary..

Believing that same-sex attracted women should agree to be violated by men is the very essence of homophobia - as you know perfectly well sir.

You're clearly a misogynist who's here to troll women and waste their time.

Is being lesbian transphobic ?

No

Is being gay transphobic ?

No

Is being bisexual transphobic ?

No

Is promoting the wishes of LGB people transphobic ?

Well that entirely depends on what you mean by the 'wishes of LGB people'. Firstly LGB people are not a monolith, nor are their wishes. If some LGB people wish for the de-legitimisation of trans experience and the exclusion of trans people from participation in society , then promoting those wishes would be transphobic yes - regardless of whether the people holding them are LGB or otherwise.

No not at all, the posts I was specifically responding to are a few pages back now but it was specifically relating to the comment about "why can't you just leave them to it and ignore them" (paraphrasing, sorry!).

I'll be honest, I avoid this topic as much as possible (no idea why I even clicked on the thread 😅) because I don't have the mental space for it, I just got really into protestors rights after the teachers strikes a few years ago 😅

If some LGB people wish for the de-legitimisation of trans experience and the exclusion of trans people from participation in society

Please link to where this has been expressed by the LGB Alliance. Shouldn't take long, no?

No not at all, the posts I was specifically responding to are a few pages back now but it was specifically relating to the comment about "why can't you just leave them to it and ignore them" (paraphrasing, sorry!).

It was part of a larger back and forth with a specific poster who was saying that they respected different views when they did not, it wasn't meant to be a general comment about the rights and wrongs of protests.

Absolutely, I think it's important to caveat my posts that you can absolutely criticise someone's method of protesting, but as long as it's legal, it should still be allowed. If my Tesco brocoli protest involves blocking people's access to the broccoli, I'm not breaking any laws but I still have to accept people who like broccoli telling me I'm a terrible person for my method of protesting.

The crickets involves animal cruelty and therefore doesn't come under this caveat.

Already discussed earlier in the thread.

Under 'why we exist' on the LGBA website. Clear as day.

Sorry meant to quote @iwentjasonwaterfalls

Gotcha, apologies 🙌🏻

Np

Copied from the thread in FWR:

According to Lily Maynard the police are taking it seriously.

https://x.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1845443859246891468?t=6ooCSp5N-HkFQrnMtI7-4Q&s=19

If you were at the @AllianceLGB conference and witnessed the releasing of the crickets, you can choose to make a crime report here:

"The Met are taking this very seriously - it is a hate crime and they are treating it as such" a friend tells me

Where is ANYBODY trying to stop trans identifying people from 'participating in society' ?

All folks like LGBA ask is that Gays and Lesbians get to live their lives without those of the opposite sex invading their spaces and relationships.

Where is ANYBODY trying to stop trans identifying people from 'participating in society' ?

well one way would be through the use of coded language that delegitimises their experience - eg “trans identifying people” which implies being trans is an identity/ label / superficial/ a “choice” etc.

People are not “trans identifying”, they are trans. in the same way that people are not “gay identifying”- they are gay!

People who are trans have an experience of gender that is at odds with their sex registered at birth. This is not an “identity” they have claimed for themselves, it is a real and profound psychological experience over which they have no choice or control, and which is fundamental to their understanding of selfhood.

People are not “trans identifying”, they are trans. in the same way that people are not “gay identifying”- they are gay!

People who are "trans" believe they have the "gender" of the opposite sex. Many people dispute that is anything more than a personal identity label.

People who are gay are same sex attracted.

This is an ideological difference, and there is zero reason why gender identity ideology should trump biological reality and the established understanding of sexual orientation.

Many people dispute that is anything more than a personal identity label.

yes exactly. Those people are transphobic and ignorant.
They have formed their views through the work of organisations spreading harmful propaganda about trans people- like the LGBA,

Only people who are transphobic and ignorant.

If you say so.

This is an ideological difference

It is not. This is harmful. Being trans is not an ideology it is a real and legitimate human experience .

Re my post

This is an ideological difference, and there is zero reason why gender identity ideology should trump biological reality and the established understanding of sexual orientation.

@PiggleToes maybe you have a reason you can provide? Educate me.

Being trans is not an ideology

It is an ideology. It involves a quasi religious belief framework.

This is transphobia.

People can label themselves "trans" if they want to, I've no argument. I do not believe in the theory which underpins it though, because it conflicts with biological reality.

Is requesting a bio female carries out my smear test also transphobic?

Why should I believe some males are women, exactly? @PiggleToes