To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

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It's a transphobic gathering.

And at the end of the day transphobia is rooted in homophobia. The two go hand in hand.

What's the ideal outcome? Protest is banned in all forms?

Not all forms. The ones involving bomb threats, violence and live fucking crickets, yes. And guess which side does that.

You do think there should be limits, to protest, I imagine? What about the recent right wing riots? That a-ok with you?

Yet again, what makes it transphobic?

what's transphobic about the LGBA @PiggleToes ?

So let me ask you this. If a lesbian woman is attracted to a trans woman does that mean she is not/ is not allowed to call herself a lesbian?

Does that actually happen a lot , Lesbians being attracted to people who were born men, who believe they are women @PiggleToes ?

Seriously though @PiggleToes I've been decent enough to engage with the questions you've asked me. Please can you do the decent thing and respond to the questions I posed to you:

Do you consider it transphobic to request a smear test from a biological woman, to request changing facilities are sex separated, for sports teams to be sex based, for schemes to encourage girls into science and boys into childcare to be open to natal girls and boys respectively, for rape victims to request a same sex therapist?

No, you're not alone. That was my first thought. For these nasty little people no-one and nothing matters outside of themselves.

Because of this?

It’s a group of gay and lesbian people who

recognise that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender

Is that the issue for you?

Eh? That doesn’t make sense. And are you saying that this conference of gay, lesbian and bisexual people was a homophobic meeting? You say that others can’t define someone’s sexuality, yet here you are.

If it was a transphobic gathering and if people wanted to protest they had every right to do so. Stand outside with placards. Hand out leaflets. Shout and sing.
Creeping in and releasing insects and then giggling about it is not a good look.

Will miracles never cease! I think we may have found a point of agreement between me and The Righteous.

Namely that (IMO only obviously) protest against things you disagree with is acceptable.

Outside a meeting-place, but such that attendees are not intimidated or prevented from entering. And that the meeting is not disrupted due to smoke bombs, loud music, banging on the windows, etc etc.

Protest and demonstration are a legitimate way of having your say in a democracy.

Putting an alternative view.

Threats, violence and physical interventions designed to silence those of a different view are the opposite.

Namely that (IMO only obviously) protest against things you disagree with is acceptable.

Outside a meeting-place, but such that attendees are not intimidated or prevented from entering. And that the meeting is not disrupted due to smoke bombs, loud music, banging on the windows, etc etc.

Quite, I'm also in vociferous agreement with this.

I have explained this multiple times on this thread. You are free to read it.

Oh I 100% think that violence, threats and live animals are out of bounds, because they cross the line into criminal behaviour (animal cruelty). Same for the far right protests, same for absolutely any protest, whoever is running it.

I disagree with the right wing riots and disagree with every point they made, but they have the right to protest - the point where they flipped into intimidation, threats and actual violence is where it becomes criminal and should be handled as such.

Saying "guess which side does that" is reductive and unhelpful. It's like TRAs suggesting that "the GC side" is all far right wing because they've argued the same side of debates and protests in the past.

GCs aren't a monolith, TRAs aren't a monolith. They don't all believe or even protest the same things. Look at KJK who now seems to be very separate from the LGB Alliance. The "other side" is no different.

Clive and Jack on Two Poofs and a Podcast are very funny about the crickets, particularly where the insects may have come from.

My sausage dog is gay...

you really haven't explained it @PiggleToes you've given deliberately vague, woolly responses which don't even get close to how LGBA are supposedly transphobic.

I'm not defining their sexuality, I'm saying that if you meet to promote a transphobic agenda, you can expect that people will legitimately protest that.

I don't agree with releasing insects as a form of protest. I share your view on that.

Is that supposed to be funny? I don't get it.

Oh I 100% think that violence, threats and live animals are out of bounds, because they cross the line into criminal behaviour (animal cruelty). Same for the far right protests, same for absolutely any protest, whoever is running it.

Fair enough, I think we're speaking at cross purposes here. I thought you were justifying the shitty behaviour because people have the right to protest, but I've obviously misunderstood.

You are entitled to your opinion on that of course.

Is being lesbian transphobic ?
Is being gay transphobic ?
Is being bisexual transphobic ?
Is promoting the wishes of LGB people transphobic ?

I'm not defining their sexuality, I'm saying that if you meet to promote a transphobic agenda, you can expect that people will legitimately protest that.

And like pp said, they can stand outside with a placard and exercise their right to protest a group of lesbians, gay men and bisexual people focussing on their own lived experience.

PLEASE ANSWER MY POST!!!!!

I disagree with this; a protest is supposed to be disruptive in order to be effective. Look at Just Stop Oil - no one would be aware of their cause if they weren't actively disruptive. My first exposure to Extinction Rebellion was being unable to get through Piccadilly Circus easily because of a big demonstration blocking most of the road.

We have the right to not be threatened or harmed; we don't have the right to not be inconvenienced.