To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

“Plenty of straight men are attracted to transwomen”

Yeah, that’s what my gay friend thought when he decided to transition - turned out to be very not true (quelle surprise 🙄)

I’ve already stated very clearly my view that any person should have the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them.

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I'd agree with this to a point Piggle but the complications start when other are compelled to agree with and validate this. Then others are compelled to change the language they use, the safe spaces they need, allow access to shortlists and sports. As a start

Protest against what? This?

A person that recognises that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender

Even that dog is rolling its eyes at the ridiculousness of it.

I suppose I'm the only person who feels sorry for the insects? 😢

Sinner 😆 still breathing - luckily!

What do you mean by 'defining sexuality differently to me'?

My position is that sexuality is something that is intrinsically personal; that self knowledge about one's sexuality is fundamental to a person's core identity, and that it is not ok to judge or label someone else's sexuality based on one's own ideological beliefs.

So if a group of people were to meet with an aim to promote ideas contrary to that - I would have serious concerns and might consider protesting that gathering.

Sorry @DrDrfosters , I missed your post there.

I’ve already stated very clearly my view that any person should have the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them.
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I'd agree with this to a point Piggle

I'm glad we do at least have this one point of consensus <3. It doesn't seem to be shared across this thread.

So if a group of people were to meet with an aim to promote ideas contrary to that - I would have serious concerns and might consider protesting that gathering.

Why? Why can't you agree to disagree and leave them alone? Why does your opinion trump their one?

Not even touching on which opinion is more valid, as the majority of the population would see it.

But people can meet with this in common? you accepted it below but does it change if it’s a group?

So there’s a gay person who

recognises that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender

Can you accept that belief, and if so can you accept a group of people who believe that?

I’ll tell you another time that sex trumps gender. Actually making a baby. Bottom line is that you can identify however you like but you have to work out who is male and who is female to be able to make a baby.

@PiggleToes

that it is not ok to judge or label someone else's sexuality based on one's own ideological beliefs.

You and anyone who supports protesting a group of same sex attracted people advocating for their own sexuality are going exactly what you criticise there.

I mean can't you actually see this?

Yep. Put 100 trans women and a hundred men on an island and in a hundred years there will be 200 male skeletons.

Are doing

words are importantly though. You can't take words like gay, straight, heterosexual, lesbian and enforce your own meanings on them. To do is to render the words meaningless. I think what you're saying @PiggleToes is that words which define our sexuality are open to different interpretations?
(Which is convenient when a trans woman is pissed that a lesbian won't sleep with them. )

Gender critical women protested at a local Pride event this year. There was also a big protest at a Drag Queen Story Time event. Surely the same question could be asked of them?

Or anyone who protests anything, really. If we acknowledge the right to protest, which is important, we acknowledge that anyone can protest anything they disagree with. GCs can protest Pride, TRAs can protest GC conferences. I can protest against broccoli being sold at my local Tesco if I want - you can and should argue against my stance if you disagree with it, but not my protest.

But again, in order to give rights and protections based on sexuality, you have to be able to define that sexuality. you have given some waffle words but it doesn’t tell me anything.

just saying it’s personal isn’t going to cut it if you say you have been discriminated against.
LGBA has clearly given its definition and who are the members of the group.

I have asked you multiple times as to what your clear definition is. How can I avoid discriminating against you if I don’t know the parameters of your group.

if their definition is wrong. What is the correct one?

Gender critical women protested at a local Pride event this year. There was also a big protest at a Drag Queen Story Time event. Surely the same question could be asked of them?

It is!

So if I were to protest a homophobic gathering - a group that was organising to say promote the recriminalisation of homosexuality - if I were to protest that it would be wrong and I should just agree to disagree and leave them alone?

I absolutely support everyone's right to protest , of course!

Why do TRAs accuse LGBA of being based at Tufton Street ?
Its over three miles from there

So if I were to protest a homophobic gathering - a group that was organising to say promote the recriminalisation of homosexuality - if I were to protest that it would be wrong and I should just agree to disagree and leave them alone?

This isn't a "homophobic gathering", it's homophobic to deny the existence of exclusive same sex attraction, like genderists do. So the protest was homophobic, rather than the gathering.

So you think experience of sexuality is akin to a religious belief?

Belief in innate gender akin - yes. Neither are able to be subjectively tested by a third party. Both are routed in belief systems, as are other things like political allegiance. However not sexuality, or the immutability of sex, as both can be subjectively tested.

Great. Not very productive, because all groups are asking each other the same pointless questions but not actually living by the standards they're expecting of the other, but at least it's evens.

What's the ideal outcome? Protest is banned in all forms?