To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

It is possible he could mistakenly have the genuine belief that the male person he feels attracted to is a woman. Then he would likely be shocked on discovering his error, if he is not gay or bisexual.

You need to define each type of sexuality for it to be a sexuality!!

I have asked you dictionary define a lesbian if it isn’t a crudely a person with a vagina (adult human female) attracted to another person with a vagina.

if there is another definition you want to use then let me know but you have to objectively able to allocate a person into the group. It can’t be based on feelings alone but an objective test.

So judgemental, homophobic, regressive and harmful :(.

What a world, that people still think that have the right to judge and define the sexuality of others.

no @PiggleToes not regressive or homophobic or bigoted.
A male who is attracted to and sleeps with another male is either gay or bisexual. This is fact not opinion.

So it's not being attracted to a trans woman that makes a man gay or bisexual?

A man can be attracted to a trans woman and be straight (as long as he doesn't know she is trans?)

Oh good, I'm glad you have been appointed Lord of all things related to the sexuality of others.

It's not homophobic to say a man attracted to a "trans woman" (a biological male) is gay or bisexual, because sexual orientation is about sex, not identity.

Gay men need to have the language to describe the sexual orientation of being only attracted to your own sex, as they have traditionally faced persecution, discrimination and prejudice for only being attracted to men.

A man can be attracted to a trans woman and be straight (as long as he doesn't know she is trans?)

He is either straight or he isn't. If it's mistaken, he isn't going to want to proceed once he learns the truth. Sex by deception is a crime people have gone to prison for.

are you trying to say that a male who sleeps with a trans woman can also be heterosexual , @PiggleToes ?
If a male is sexually attracted to and has sex with another male, they're not straight. Fact.

🙄 Piggle, words have meanings! It is not xxphobic to use words in line with their definitions. Want to describe something else? Use another word!

I notice eg that when you said “ a man attracted to a women”, you needed to rephrase to “ a man attracted to a transwoman” to make the point you wanted - because ‘transwoman’ and ‘woman’ - as you demonstrated - have different meanings.

‘Lesbian’ has a meaning, and if you use it to describe a woman who finds male bodies sexually attractive, then what you say will be very difficult for other people to interpret

And yet… gay men and lesbian women whose sexuality is based in same sex attraction, not gender attraction, have been constantly called transphobic, narrow minded, bigoted and exclusionary.

Judgemental, and very harmful where it seeks to coercively persuade people to accept sexual advances based in gender.

i.e the very origins of LGBA. Seeking freedom from such judgemental pressure from trans activists .

After 330-ish posts, I think we have now clearly established that The Righteous strongly disagree with LGB Alliance (I mean, we got the idea way back on the first page).

But this thread is about the sabotage of a conference. So to reiterate, ultimately the main points here are simply:

• Should people be free to organise and self-associate according to their own interests/viewpoints?
• If one disagrees with said group's viewpoints for any reason, however justified in their own Righteous minds, is it or is it not acceptable to prevent that group from meeting and speaking?

All the sad face emojis in the universe don't answer the key questions.

you're funny @PiggleToes as you try to redefine the words gay and straight..! Next you'll be telling us that lesbians are bigoted for not wanting to sleep with trans women....

Have you ever seen those cakes that really, really look like something else?

Just because someone wants the thing they think it is, doesn't mean they like cake. If they're really not into cake, then they'll lose interest when they discover what it really is.

Are you trying to say that a male who sleeps with a trans woman can also be heterosexual?

Of course they can! Plenty of straight men are attracted to trans women.

I think a protest outside would have been fair enough and they should have left the insects out of it.

@PiggleToes could you be clear on whether people who define sexuality differently to you can meet?

Eh?

I didn't "rephrase" it was a typo.

We all agree that a heterosexual men are attracted to women. The question is can a man be attracted to a trans woman and be heterosexual.

It's not judging. It's describing and defining. People can do what they like as long as it's lawful and consensual, but let's describe it with clearly agreed language so we all know what we're talking about.

One could be forgiven for thinking that The Righteous are actually rather unBrave and unStunning, since they just want to obfuscate and distract rather than answering the questions actually pertinent to the thread.

The question is can a man be attracted to a trans woman and be heterosexual

The answer is No.

The question is can a man be attracted to a trans woman and be heterosexual.

Not knowingly, no. That would be a bisexual man.

and if he was, he's bisexual.

Runor · Today 15:48

Thankyou! I’m always happy to ask for an explanation when I don’t understand. Expect I’ll have finished the popcorn before I get an answer though….

I hope you didn't hold your breath.

I agree about the insects, but why is it fair enough to protest outside a gathering of LGB people and their allies who want to discuss issues relevant to being LGB in the 2020s? Where are the protests outside gatherings of trans people and their allies? Where are the LGB people saying 'Hang on a minute, you can't meet without us!'