To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

I am very well informed thank you, and not at all confused.

Reasons why there are legal protections connected to biological sex:
Male pattern violence
Around 80% of violent offences are committed by males
Well over 95% of sexual offences are committed by males

So females are less likely to commit these offences and also more vulnerable when targeted by males because they are less physically strong and in the case of sexual offences most predators are heterosexual as well as male.

In sport, male bodies and female bodies work differently, just as young bodies and older bodies work differently, so we have different categories to provide a fairer competition. Also for reasons of safety in contact sports.

There is no comparable objectively provable data to justify using gender over sex in cases where women and girls, and other vulnerable groups such as children and people with disabilities or the frail elderly, need protection from violence, intrusions into their privacy and infringements of their dignity.

No one is stopping Trans people from having their own conference are they?

that the definitions of L and G were still same sex attraction

As defined in Law. Law that is used to enable prosecution of the crime of homophobia.

the LGBA do not get to define what being lesbian and gay is

It is already defined in Law, LGBA are upholding the legal definition. You and your TRA mates do not get to redefine the Law of the land.

Sorry if I missed the answer when I posed the question before but @PiggleToes could you give me your dictionary definition of ‘lesbian’. I am genuinely curious as to that it is if not defined by sex.

@PiggleToes And can you accept that you and others do not get to define it for all lesbian and gay people?

If a lesbian says I only have women (by sex not by gender) in my potential pool of attraction do you say ok?

Or are you more at the crickets end

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 10:04

I should say, he was recalled for a time, then they let him out again.

If I recall correctly, he was up before trans zealot Tam Ikram, who agreed that of course it was all a silly joke and of course poor, gentle Sarah should be released immediately. He also had a large hand in the inaptly named Equal Treatment Bench book.

Not to mention letting off three men, who had been dressed in women's clothes, when they carried out an assault, resulting in a GBH charges against their lone victim. Apparently, he should of expected it, because he said, "You're blokes!"

Maybe Piggle uses the John Hopkins University definition of a lesbian which was a non man attracted to non men

I'm afraid of men pretending to be women. I wouldn't be, if they weren't taking photos of themselves masturbating in women's toilets, or cracking women's skulls in women-only sports. I'm afraid of them because they're the worst kind of misogynist, aggressive male - but with an unleashed fetish - and women like you who pander to them, to keep them sweet, so they don't attack you, have no business, no right whatsoever, to try to turn that justifiable fear into an insult.

You're damn right I'm transphobic. No sane woman wouldn't be.

Jhound CosMedicare clinic in Glasgow is one such place where young FTM people can. There are plenty of organisations which will cheer lead on a young girl with affirmation and social transitioning with a procedure like this as an end goal

I am not LGB, but this is my understanding of why the LGBA was formed. Stonewall campaigned for LGB issues only until 2015 and did a great job changing attitudes as well as the law in the UK. When they achieved their objective of getting equal rights for LGB people in the UK, they had various options open to them.

• Scale down their operations. This would have meant making staff redundant and the CEO would probably have had to take a lower salary.
• Switch focus to campaigning on LGB issues internationally. There are unfortunately still dozens of countries where LGB people face constant threats of violence and are a long way from having equal rights in law.
• Switch focus to supporting LGB people in the UK through helplines, support groups, lower key campaigning to make sure that the legal protections gained were not threatened.

What they actually did was to switch focus away from LGB issues to campaigning mostly on gender issues and trying to pull in huge sums from organisations who've paid them to become Diversity Champions and to be rated for the Stonewall Workplace Equality index, which places great emphasis on policies that stress gender, not sex. Often these have misrepresented the Equality Act, which makes sex, sexual orientation and gender reassignment protected characteristics, not, as often stated, gender identity. Sex has in fact often been omitted altogether from the list of protected characteristics.

The LGBA was formed so that there would once again be a charity in the UK which focuses solely on LGB issues and recognises that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender.

John Hopkins university was the academic home of John Money who was the controversial sexologist who abused children in the name of experimentation (leasing to their deaths by suicide in one case and substance issues in the other) and is the godfather of modern gender ideology - so I would take any of their definitions with a pinch of salt

Thank you for an excellent explanation.

Not sure if they're the same kids who did this but a couple look v similar

x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1830927668872691894?s=46&t=wfGUXS4e7S2rsGQdz6jOoQ

Many comments on X about how they all seem to be well spoken middle class teen girls. Some of them aren't even trans, just supporting their friends who they say are dying or being denied life saving medical treatment. I guess they mean blockers / hormones and surgery. Seems like a backlash against the Cass report.

I feel like metaphorically giving their heads a wobble, telling them to wise up and stop doing the dirty work for the older males with fetishes who seem to head up this TRA cult.

I'm guessing @PiggleToes definition of lesbian and woman would be:
anyone who identifies as one.

I don't understand how Trans people can also be gay @PiggleToes ? That is a genuine question by the way, its one of those things I can't get my head around, because to me your sexuality isn't gender specific is it, you can fancy men, women or both regardless of your 'gender'.

At the end of the day, nobody has to sleep with anyone they don't want to simply because they don't want to, I am pretty sure that is enshrined in law

There isn't enough salt in the world to make that definition palatable

My teen dd asked me about this the other day, I may do a Google deep dive into the origins of they / them as I couldn't answer that one!

It's a bit of a head scratcher but I believe it goes like this:

Biologically male or female, attracted to the opposite sex, happy to be identified as one's natal sex - straight

Biologically male, attracted to other biological males, happy to be identified as male: gay man

As above but female: Lesbian

Biologically male, attracted to other biological males, identifies as female: straight

As above, but female: straight

Biologically male, attracted to females, identifies as female: Lesbian

Biologically female, attracted to males, identifies as male: gay man

Biologically male or female, attracted to both biological females and males, whether happy to be identified as one's natal sex or not: bisexual, or nowadays may prefer to be labelled pansexual

You can see why some people say unhappy kids who are starting to realise that they are same-sex attracted and then identify as the opposite sex are transing the gay away, because at a stroke they turn from being a gay boy or a young lesbian to being straight.

You're damn right I'm transphobic. No sane woman wouldn't be

Thank you for your honesty. It’s important that we name this for what it is.

If you feel it’s not an irrational feel then you don’t have to use that term or have it applied to you

If you believe that all being trans is for some people is how they dress then you are very much misinformed and confused.

recognises that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender

@PiggleToes can you accept gay and lesbian people can define it as such?

I’ve already stated very clearly my view that any person should have the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them.

I’ve already stated very clearly my view that any person should have the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them.

That's great, so Nancy Kelley calling lesbian women "sexual racists" for only wishing to sleep with women is wrong, then?