To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Sorry meant to quote @PiggleToes

Do you include paedophiles who are campaigning for paedophilia to be recognised as a legitimate sexual orientation as people who have the right to define their sexuality in a way that feels right and authentic to them

Dymaxion · Today 14:49

I don't understand how Trans people can also be gay

Well, it's simple, although Piggle won't like the answer.

Men pretending to be women and who like to have sex with other men = gay.

Women pretending to be men and who like to have sex with other women = gay.

And if a group of people have that in common is that ok for you?

Can they meet and discuss issues related to them?

eg a group that recognises that same-sex orientation is inextricably linked to biological sex, not gender

The girl at the beginning says "Our friends are dying". I presume she's referring to the growing number of trans identified kids who've died from the horrific and barbaric 'gender affirming' surgery?

Doesn't she realise GC women are extremely concerned about the very same thing?

Seems to me there's a lot of deliberate obfuscation going on, as is par for the course by The Righteous.

Surely the main points here are simply:

• Should people be free to organise and self-associate according to their own interests/viewpoints?
• If one disagrees with said group's viewpoints, is it acceptable to prevent that group from meeting and speaking?

Your body being at odds with your mental perception is subjective. It's a "thing" in the same way as believing your body is enormously fat when you've starved yourself down to 5 stone and your hip bones are protruding through your skin. It's a mental health problem. It's real for sure to the person afflicted with the belief, but objectively, it is a mental illness.

Meanwhile, the 30 - 60-year-old men who father children then decide they've been women all along, are a bunch of sexual perverts who used to keep their fetishes at home or at discreet clubs. No sympathy for them whatsoever.

Are you a woman? If so, shame on you for pandering to these awful men.

But I’ve said, in order to enforce rights you have to objectively define the group to whom the rights are attached to. Saying those that ‘feel’ a certain way to is far too woolly to be enforceable in law.

the definition ‘woman is a non-man’ was silly in a billion ways, not least as it made a women any inanimate object that isn’t a man (but what is a man? Who knows?)

Still won't respond to me though @PiggleToes

Are these things transphobic:

Requesting a smear test from a bio female, getting changed with people of the same sex as you, holding a female only evening, hosting a lesbian-only event, sports teams, female or male only awards/shortlists.

Apart from anything else, anybody can say they 'feel' a particular way. Unfortunately not everyone is honest and not everybody is rational. The law should be based on verifiable facts.

That doesn’t necessarily logically follow, no.

.... breastfeeding support groups restricted to breastfeeding mothers (not trans-identified males taking a cocktail of drugs to induce artificial lactation); the terms 'mother' and 'father' on birth certificates linked to the sex of the parties named; crime statistics reporting sex of offenders, not gender identity; victims of crime not forced to refer to their attacker as 'she' when the attacker is obviously male; male offenders not housed in female prisons; male security staff and police only to pat down/search male travellers, suspects etc, and vice versa for females. Not an exhaustive list.

Really? Can you explain why not?

Lol I wasn’t expecting that question .

Well I believe there are some scientists to do believe that paedophilia is a type of sexual orientation - in the sense that they believe that it is something that js “self discovered” and not chosen and is stable over time. I’m not sure that I would agree with that personally although I am not a forensic psychologist.

Regardless, that doesn’t mean that acting upon those sexual feelings is ok. The reason that paedophilia is wrong is that it is a non consensual act of sexual violence- by which I mean it involves the inducement or coercion of a child to engage in sexual activity that is unlawful and sexually harmful.

Runor · Today 15:39

Really? Can you explain why not?

Here's the popcorn...

@PiggleToes if you say this

‘I’ve already stated very clearly my view that any person should have the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them.’

Can you answer why a group of gay or lesbian people cannot meet with that authentic sexuality in common?

"Inducement and coercion" of lesbians by creepy men on lesbian dating sites is fine by you though.

You didn't answer my question - are you a woman?

😆 Thankyou! I’m always happy to ask for an explanation when I don’t understand. Expect I’ll have finished the popcorn before I get an answer though….

Saying that someone has the right to define their sexuality as feels right and authentic to them, says nothing about whether their sexuality is rooted in prejudice (criminal activity, violence) or otherwise.

Where is the prejudice that a lesbian doesn't wish to sleep with any male @PiggleToes ?

Am I a woman? Yes.

It's important, because it's the definition of "lesbian" - a female person sexually attracted to other female people.

So let me ask you this. If a lesbian woman is attracted to a trans woman does that mean she is not/ is not allowed to call herself a lesbian?

If a man is attracted to a woman does that make him gay?

Still studiously ignoring my question I notice....