To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

[Bushmillsbabe]

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

Or not. What do you think that will achieve? Illegal immigration also has nothing to do with this.

Or they need to eat non halal?

The majority of halal slaughtered animals have been pre-stunned, so on basis of probability, the halal meat your child is offered is probably stunned prior to having it's throat slit.

I am 100% in favour of banning all non stun slaughter. There is just no reason for non stun. To be halal, the animal must not be dead prior to slaughter. As long as a reversible method of stunning is used, it's not forbidden.

They could but it most people don’t care about halal meat that’s what the school will offer.

Religiously the only people who can't eat halal are orthodox Jews and Sikhs. Orthodox Jews can only eat kosher. And Sikhs can't eat any meat that's been slaughtered ritually.

YOU expect gluten free so you cannot expect other pretences not to be met

I forget why a packed lunch isn't an option

But OP does care and it seems there has been no consultation to find out how many other families care.

Yes. OP does care.
But I suspect if most families care they would have made that clear.

So the school will go with the easiest option of just getting halal if most meat eaters either want it or don’t care that it is served.

Do you think most families want halal meat?

How are you missing the repeated explanations that those that require PLUS those that don't care equal the largest number.

Those that require halal probably out number those that insist on not having halal.

Ok

Say 20% will only eat halal meat
20% will not eat halal meat
and 60% don’t care either way

Why do the ones who will only eat meat if it is slaughtered according to halal rules get priority over the ones who will only eat meat that has not been slaughtered in accordance to halal rules?

Why do the ones who don’t care automatically get added to the halal meat numbers?

Can you explain why one groups beliefs matter more to you than another’s?

Non-religious people can object to halal being the only or default choice too.

No, very few would request it where we live.

There are non halal options. There are pork sausages and jacket potatoes. The problem is that OP's daughter cannot have anything with dairy or gluten and on top of that op doesn't want her to have any halal meat.

How many options can the school realistically provide? With two medical restrictions the choice thst your daughter has will always be limited. Why are you making her life more difficult by adding in a slightly arbitrary preference?

I'm a vegetarian and feel bad about animals getting treated badly and then killed (but i don't feel bad enough to be vegan). Most of my family is vegetarian for religious reasons and don't approve of our kids eating meat especially not pork and beef. But my dd is lactose intolerant and severely underweight. There is no way I'd restrict her diet even further by arbitrarily making rules based on my preferences. So I think yabu for this reason

Op's dd's school actually does provide non halal meat along with halal meat. It's just that unfortunately the dd csnt have the non halal meat option for clinical reasons so this thread sounds more like a dog whistle to me and this is the second reason yabu.

I think most families don’t care either way.

Yup. Because unless you’re one of the religious groups who can’t have it (and Orthodox Jews, for instance, wouldn’t be eating food from a non-Jewish school kitchen anyway - the food preparation rules are strict in all manner of ways) then objecting to one form of slaughter over another is hypocritical.
I eat meat. I’d like to be vegetarian for ethical reasons but for a variety of reasons it won’t work for me at the moment.
I have read a lot about food production over the years but Felicity Lawrence’s Not on The Label really stuck with me. Every one talking about stunning first like it’s some kind of lovely experience. It doesn’t always work. The chapter on chicken production is particularly brutal.

Long story short, this thread like every other thread about halal food is an islamophobic dog whistle. Think slaughtering animals is cruel, absolutely fine, be vegetarian. Non-halal slaughter isn’t a walk in the park and the end result is still a dead animal.

I don't think the majority ARE ok with it. They just know that saying anything will result in accusations.

Well then why are the majority not vegetarian?

Children shouldn't have to go veggie because of other people's religious choices....... Sit down & shut up, it doesn't wash anymore.

UK animal welfare law allows halal and kosher meat only for sale to Muslims and Jews, because unstunned slaughter is unnecessarily cruel and is recognised as a religious exemption.
https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter#:~:text=Current%20UK%20law%20requires%20animals,throat%20without%20stunning%20them%20first
How do schools get away with routinely breaking the law?

They aren’t. The vast majority of halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter.

There is no ethical way to kill animals to eat. To fuss over the way it is killed is hypocritical imo.

They aren’t though. Do you honestly think that non-halal slaughter is pleasant?
And I won’t shut up when something is being used for dog whistle Islamophobia.
Genuinely, the vast majority of people don’t care. If they did people wouldn’t buy cheap meat! UK standards are great compared to many countries but it’s about time people got more realistic about farming. We’re too distanced from it.