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To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

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Bushmillsbabe · 06/10/2024 16:13

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

OP posts:
JusteanBiscuits · 14/10/2024 14:06

Bushmillsbabe · 06/10/2024 17:28

I agree in many ways, I eat very little meat. My oldest has made a decision to be vegetarian which is fine.
But between the allergies and psycholoical negative associations with many foods, youngest already has a restricted diet so to restrict it further and make her vegetarian has been advised against by her dietician.
Yes, we have tried packed lunches but she refused to eat, she does have some sensory needs and we are on wait list for an ASD assessment.

But clearly the consensus is that we shouldn't be bothered about halal vs non halal, thanks for all the perspectives

Then you discuss with her what she will eat in a packed lunch. Buy a food flask to keep food hot.

A dead animal is a dead animal. You have a very poor understanding of animal welfare practice if you're so upset by halal meat, but happy for the cheapest meat to be fed to her as long as it isn't halal.

Namechangetotalkaboutmysleepingpillsproblem · 14/10/2024 14:09

Yeah I mean I don't know much about how non- halal animal killings are carried out but I'm not religious but a prayer just seems respectful. They deserve that dignity, at least

zeitweilig · 14/10/2024 15:18

Namechangetotalkaboutmysleepingpillsproblem · 14/10/2024 14:09

Yeah I mean I don't know much about how non- halal animal killings are carried out but I'm not religious but a prayer just seems respectful. They deserve that dignity, at least

Respectful?
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knitnerd90 · 14/10/2024 20:31

If you don't believe in prayer, then saying the blessing doesn't do anything to the meat. In fact it doesn't do anything at all. You're just objecting out of some kind of principle. If you think religion is nonsense then the blessing is irrelevant in practical terms. You don't like the idea of it. But it has no effect on your life, does it?

chipsaway · 14/10/2024 22:21

TwattyMcFuckFace · 06/10/2024 16:18

If you expect the school to buy in a separate supply of meat for the tiny minority who won't eat halal, I'd be interested to know how much you'd be willing to pay for her school dinners?

Why is eating non halal now a minority? Are we now a Muslim country?
I won’t eat halal meat. I don’t expect a vegetarian to eat meat. I don’t expect a Muslim to eat non halal meat.

There should be an option if we are to have a country in which multiple faiths, beliefs and dietary requirements are to be considered
The OP is fully justified

TwattyMcFuckFace · 14/10/2024 22:24

chipsaway · 14/10/2024 22:21

Why is eating non halal now a minority? Are we now a Muslim country?
I won’t eat halal meat. I don’t expect a vegetarian to eat meat. I don’t expect a Muslim to eat non halal meat.

There should be an option if we are to have a country in which multiple faiths, beliefs and dietary requirements are to be considered
The OP is fully justified

Read it properly.

I said the tiny minority who won't eat it.

That doesn't make them automatically Muslim, it just means they're not fussed either way.

If they were, the school couldn't supply halal only because they'd only be supplying to a minority and that's not cost effective.

chipsaway · 15/10/2024 06:42

TwattyMcFuckFace · 14/10/2024 22:24

Read it properly.

I said the tiny minority who won't eat it.

That doesn't make them automatically Muslim, it just means they're not fussed either way.

If they were, the school couldn't supply halal only because they'd only be supplying to a minority and that's not cost effective.

I did. It’s not cost effective to go with a ‘tiny minority’. It’s cost effective to go with the majority.

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 15/10/2024 08:25

chipsaway · 15/10/2024 06:42

I did. It’s not cost effective to go with a ‘tiny minority’. It’s cost effective to go with the majority.

I suspect the majority don’t actually care whether meat is halal or not.

AmeliaEarache · 15/10/2024 08:38

chipsaway · 14/10/2024 22:21

Why is eating non halal now a minority? Are we now a Muslim country?
I won’t eat halal meat. I don’t expect a vegetarian to eat meat. I don’t expect a Muslim to eat non halal meat.

There should be an option if we are to have a country in which multiple faiths, beliefs and dietary requirements are to be considered
The OP is fully justified

Don’t be silly.

Of the meat eating population of the school, the number who would refuse to eat halal meat is tiny. We can be see that by the fact they DO serve it, day in, day out.

SophiaJ8 · 15/10/2024 08:48

AmeliaEarache · 15/10/2024 08:38

Don’t be silly.

Of the meat eating population of the school, the number who would refuse to eat halal meat is tiny. We can be see that by the fact they DO serve it, day in, day out.

Do people generally know it’s halal? Is it made clear?

AmeliaEarache · 15/10/2024 09:54

SophiaJ8 · 15/10/2024 08:48

Do people generally know it’s halal? Is it made clear?

The information about this and lots of other issues are available from the school - frequently on the website or on the menu posters on display boards. I was well aware all chicken at my children’s school was halal.

There are a lot of details people may want to know about the school’s food policies.

Do people know if the apples provided at break time are British grown?
Whether the food contains palm oil? Whether the eggs used are free range, barn reared or egg powder from a variety of sources? Does the school use local
providers to cut down the carbon footprint?

Halal meat is no more significant than free range eggs. Information about both is available to those who want to know.

But on the whole? People really don’t care about the details.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/10/2024 17:08

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 15/10/2024 08:25

I suspect the majority don’t actually care whether meat is halal or not.

This is exactly what I was saying.

Not sure why @chipsaway couldn't understand it?

It's cheaper to feed the majority and if the majority accept halal meat, then that's what they'll serve.

superplumb · 15/10/2024 18:11

Agree. Shouldn't have to eat halal just because it's easier for them. I went to school with a Jewish girl..if that was today what would she eat?

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/10/2024 18:17

superplumb · 15/10/2024 18:11

Agree. Shouldn't have to eat halal just because it's easier for them. I went to school with a Jewish girl..if that was today what would she eat?

Well if her parents required her to eat only kosher food, they'd send her to a school that provides it, or they'd send her with a packed lunch.

Pretty simple really?

ASimpleLampoon · 15/10/2024 18:27

Could you ask for kosher meat instead?

Gummybear23 · 15/10/2024 18:40

All these people concerned that halal meat is cruel.

As a vegetarian all is the animal is killed.
The animal still DIES which ever way it is killed.

Dksks · 15/10/2024 19:13

Gummybear23 · 15/10/2024 18:40

All these people concerned that halal meat is cruel.

As a vegetarian all is the animal is killed.
The animal still DIES which ever way it is killed.

Exactly.

TofuTart · 15/10/2024 23:19

Gummybear23 · 15/10/2024 18:40

All these people concerned that halal meat is cruel.

As a vegetarian all is the animal is killed.
The animal still DIES which ever way it is killed.

Exactly
I'm not vegetarian but it does seem totally hypocritical to me too.
You're still killing the animals, seems weird to get all superior over "my way is best ".

ThisGoldScroller · 04/01/2025 15:35

Why should your child be forced to eat Halal food in the first place?

JusteanBiscuits · 04/01/2025 19:07

ThisGoldScroller · 04/01/2025 15:35

Why should your child be forced to eat Halal food in the first place?

They're not forced. They can bring a lunch or eat something without meat.

TENSsion · 04/01/2025 19:30

But by that same sentiment, the Muslim children could bring their own lunch or eat the vegetarian option.

Dksks · 04/01/2025 19:49

TENSsion · 04/01/2025 19:30

But by that same sentiment, the Muslim children could bring their own lunch or eat the vegetarian option.

What's the issue with halal meat? Muslims can have it and non-muslims can also eat it.

TENSsion · 04/01/2025 20:02

Dksks · 04/01/2025 19:49

What's the issue with halal meat? Muslims can have it and non-muslims can also eat it.

Not everyone wants to eat halal meat. Why should their beliefs be respected less than people who believe in a magic man in the sky?

ThisGoldScroller · 04/01/2025 20:06

Well that's ok then. Let's force all non religious kids to bring in packed lunches.

duckduckgooseduckagain · 04/01/2025 20:11

I'm guessing there must be vegan options? She could have that.

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