To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

[Bushmillsbabe]

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

There's a difference between dying and being killed deliberately though.
I think what people are trying to get at is why try and justify your way of killing as "best?"
Where one says they'd rather stun and render the animal unconscious before killing, another one would probably say letting the animal bleed out is a "cleaner" way of doing it.
You're both killing an animal.
Just with different ideas of which way is best.
I do eat meat , not very often but I do.
Just seems weird to me why someone would be bothered when they're eating flesh "I'm ok if it's killed in a way I approve of" - you're still ok with eating it so why does it matter, both non halal and halal meat is still meat.

No.

It is odd to me as well. You are killing the animal to eat it. The debate about the form of killing will always bemuse me.

Honestly it's so silly. I remember a similar thread a few months ago about a school fete and halal meat Vs non halal meat. And someone specifically saying "oh gosh I'd never eat halal"

I disagree, if we didn’t serve it there would be uproar. There is a big difference and the school should cater for all.

There really wouldn’t be a “big uproar” if it was not served.

Just few students paying for meals. I genuinely don’t get the need to provide halal and non-halal especially when parents who claim it is about animal welfare are not insisting that schools
provide meat from ethically reared animals. Where are the parents insisting all meat served is organic and free range?

Back in DS's primary it used to be non halal meat, halal meat and veggie. DS remembers the Muslim kids saying that the halal meat tasted nicer.

My school, long ago, provided one option only (apart from the ‘regular’ meals), which covered vegetarian, diabetic, kosher and halal diets. I don’t remember any complaints, and the food was good.

I’m not sure that’s realistic. I buy nice meat from the local butchers sourced from local farms. It’s expensive enough but it’s not organic. The budget for these meals is small£2.60 a meal so they are spending maybe a quid on food?

Excuse us if we find this very difficult to believe; sounds very convenient with regards to your argument.

The argument that Halal is a crueler way of preparing meat that non halal is so weak, and completely based on ignorance and islamaphobia

I know some MNers object simply because a blessing was said over the meat

Activist group Peta said that although religious slaughter was "probably more humane than any other existing alternative" thousands of years ago, that the "world has changed drastically since then" and the practice leaves animals "terrified" and in "unimaginably agonising" pain when their throats are slit. However, it also argues that no slaughter for meat is humane.

The British Veterinary Association calls for all animals to be effectively stunned before slaughter because of the "pain, suffering and distress" experienced during the cut and bleeding. The Farm Animal Welfare Council says cutting an animal's throat is "such a massive injury [that it] would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes".

https://theweek.com/58447/halal-meat-what-does-it-involve-and-is-it-cruel-to-animals#

Is it UPF?

or is it decent quality meat.

But the animal still dies.

As a vegetarian I respect people choice to eat meat however i don't think one method is cruel and the other humane when in the end the animal still dies and gets eaten.

Quite honestly I wouldn't believe a thing PETA says. their history is appalling.

They'll not go to humanely raised meat because of cost. Food prices have increased enough as it is, and to be quite honest, if I were to spend more on school meals, it wouldn't be my priority. Some increase for better ingredients yes, but I would consider expansion of FSM a priority. The threshold for it is terribly low.

You lost me as soon as you said school lunch and chicken. The halal becomes a red herring as those chickens will have been subject to such an appalling life that any end will be a blessing for them.

We only eat ethically raised and killed meat at home and when we go out to eat we go vego.

I assume you’ll be avoiding ever visiting any Muslim country where meat is halal meat?

I too think you are being disingenuous about halal meat, if it wasn’t halal would you have conducted an inquiry into what conditions the animal had been subjected to before being slaughtered? Don’t think so.

I don't care about animals that much, apart from my cats, but I think they should have more rights

But I don't think I would think much of someone shooting down the seagulls and pigeons that live near me

How could they compare? 🫣

In a free country, not bound by a religion they don't believe in, that is their choice.

But goes to show their prejudice as a few words said over the meat will make it distasteful.

No, it doesn't.
It shows that people are entitled to free choice.

I can't understand why anyone would be opposed to it

I kinda of understand the way it's killed thing, even though ultimately it makes no difference and the animal didn't want to die at all.

But to object simply due to a fact a blessing was said over it.