Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

I wouldn't tick it as I don't have a gender. I'd be happy to put female/woman for sex, but I always put other if asked for gender.
If we all did that, they'd stop with this nonsense.

You don't know what you r speaking about the patriarchy which is against trans women which many of your side stabd with some nasty men like glinner attack women all the time thatbdont agree with him so yes misogyny it's not coming from trans people

Why is someone who doesn't agree with you a "pick me handmaiden"? How utterly unpleasant.

People are even wolves and cats now apparently. They shouldn’t definitely have boxes for all animals. Don’t want them to feel a little bit sad do we?

I mean, how does one know what one's gender is? Is there a test or something?

"I don't have a gender identity but I'm female."

Yep! It means you think the word woman can be subdivided into

women and
men who ‘feel’ like a woman as if there is some way that all women feel

Yes exactly funny thing is i am very outspoken as person and don't cower to any man

I am never a ciswoman. That would be like saying "For the purpose of the survey you are a catholic" when in fact you are an atheist.

You seem to be completely missing the fact that the op and many more of us do not have a gender identity to be denied.

There's a really simple test.

Take your current gender.

If you flip it, and then have to do to spaces only for that gender are you
a) in a lot more danger yourself, or
b) in a lot less danger yourself and everyone around you in that space's danger increases as a result of your presence?

Rubbish. She's not a sub category of woman, she's just a WOMAN.

lol patriarchy is how we know trans women are men; if they were actual women no one would be listening to them

Nope, not quite - more like the survey saying ‘no religion’ rather than atheist. I guess you could get upset about that because the word atheist suggests you do in fact have a belief system. I would probably just tick no religion and get on with my day tho, in the same way I’d tick cis woman and not give it a second thought

Except the ones who feel like women who you’re happy to hand over women’s spaces too because they ‘feel’ like a woman (however it is that all women feel)

When white women start to understand their woes about cis and other genderisms have nothing to do with race it will be a remarkable day.

They don't listen to trans women. The media mostly right wing attack yrans women fuck me the radio when doing a subject about yrans women don't have them on no they rather speak about them. I am a cis woman i noticed that I have noticed that if say there was a racist news story there would be black people etc talking about it but never trans people.

yes I remember reading a post by a very misogynistic trans woman who was saying " yes but of course ,there's trans women, tall women, fat women, ugly women, they are all still women." !!!!! ... thanks sister for the solidarity...

What a load of old codswallop. The word ‘privilege’ has a lot to answer for. The fact that you think the offence caused by the word is ‘trivial’ speaks volumes. And unfortunately when men put on dresses and want to be seen as women, be accepted in female safe spaces and compete in their sports, nobody is standing up for the protection of actual women.

If you’re a person who still identifies with the sex you were born as, you’re coming from a place of privilege.

But we don't 'identity as'! We just ARE.

It's unfortunate that some people have gender dysphoria, but saying that everyone who doesn't is privileged is just nuts. But that's half the point of the cis prefix imo. Trying to make out us nasty women are privileged. It's a shaming tactic so some people can have whatever they want.

Fine. And some of us aren’t.

Yes too bloody right.

These men who claim to be women retain their male privilege. They don't respect the wishes of women wrt single sex spaces and sport, they just demand access without consent.

It's predatory behaviour which derives from male socialisation.

That's fine by me but what annoys me is women on here thinking they are speaking for all women then they accused me of being a handmaiden fuck that . Honestly

It tends to be the pro genderism posters who bring race into it, not the GC women.
Race / colour is visible and real. Genderism is more akin to religion - a belief system that not everyone subscribes to.

So it's ok to exclude women who don't have a gender identity so long as we also exclude men who don't have a gender identity?

How on earth does that make sense?

The trouble is that there is not just a single paradigm of transgender person (let's say transwoman, as they seem to be more problematic on the whole, and more debated on MN).

There are the very militant ones, the AGPs, the ones trying to infiltrate women's spaces (including rape centres and hospital wards), the ones wanting to participate in women's sports and thus deprive women of medals, the ones who continue to enjoy the power of being a man despite "identifying" as a woman and gaining some sort of advantage or thrill from that.

The accommodations a lot of these transwomen lobby for are directly disadvantageous to "cis" women: as Helen Joyce says, often rights are a pie.

These transwomen not only want to dictate what other people call them, requiring them to belie their beliefs (i.e. use of she/her), but also what natal women are called. So as a woman I'm apparently not allowed to decide either how I refer to others (I have to call my rapist "she") or how others refer to me (I am a "cis woman").

Well fuck that, frankly.