Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Go back to the survey creators and tell them they're breaking the law. Under the equality act sex is a protected characteristic.

I'm confused by this. It was the trans activist poster who brought race into it, and the other side that said gender isn't the same as race.

@TeenToTwenties

It tends to be the pro genderism posters who bring race into it, not the GC women.
Race / colour is visible and real. Genderism is more akin to religion - a belief system that not everyone subscribes to.

Spot on! As per this timely example.

If it means born as, why have their been years of being told that "cis means your gender and sex match?"

If cis means born as then transwomen are cis men as they were born male. Regardless of what they identify as now, they were born male.

Except that's not what the prefix cis means...

Some women lots of us women are ok with the word cis

Some women enjoy cooking, cleaning and doing household chores whilst not earning a salary.

It doesn't mean society should make all women's only option to be homemakers and stop them from having careers.

As always on transphobic threads. Please for the love of god educate yourselves on the difference between sex and gender. If you don’t ‘believe’ in gender ideology then you can’t really describe yourself as a woman

A "woman" is the noun for an adult human female person. Not a "gender" which is a social construct based on sex stereotypes. Hope this helps.

A buck is not a "gender" it's a male rabbit.

What's with the handmaiden insult anyway. It's bananas.

No, if you not a trans woman you are a woman

Excellent explanation! I hope you don’t mind if I copy your comment and use it in the future to explain to people why I object to being called "cis".

Cis doesn’t mean born as. It’s Latin for on the side of. The same as Latin for the opposite side of is Trans. If a man wants to put on a dress and call themselves a trans woman that’s their own business. It does not give them the right to assign a meaningless prefix such as Cis to the word woman. Feminine and masculine are genders. Female, Male, Man, Woman refer to sex. No prefix necessary. It’s superfluous to requirements, unneeded, inessential, unessential, not basic or fundamental, excess, extra, redundant, spare, supererogatory, supernumerary, surplus. more than is needed, desired, or required.

You get the gist !!

There are people born into the wrong bodies, who are terribly unhappy who, thanks to various means, are able to become who they want they want to be, and that makes them happy.

They can't be "who they want to be" if they are male and want to be a woman because it's not actually possible to change sex. Also the "born in the wrong body" myth fell out of fashion around 2020.

I read that as "men want you to shut up and know your place woman"

It's terminology that people who believe in an ideology use. If you don't subscribe to it, why would you use their terms. I don't walk around calling myself an infidel or a round-earther.

Apparently it’s all about having lady feelz - so you can be a strapping bloke with full male genitalia but if you decide you fancy being a woman then that becomes fact and the world is expected to pander to your delusions

I’ve done the same, excellent post.

So, I, as a woman, must be kind, not make a fuss and accept the label of cis-woman even though I don't believe in it and don't want to. We must just go meekly along with it and not upset people who feel differently.

By that same "be kind" thought, shouldn't a man, who dresses up in a skirt and says he is a woman because that's his belief, be told he must be kind, not make a fuss and accept the label of "man"?

Where’s the like button for this? You summed it up perfectly OP.

I would tick “Other” for that shit.

I read cis to mean women are a subset of men

I may not speak for all women, but the handmaids who pander to this misogynistic ideology are prepared to throw ALL women under a bus. Once our rights, safeties and dignities are given away to men, how easy to do think that will be to wrestle them back? We only got the right to vote and own our own bank accounts in recent modern history.

On race questions, I hate putting white or white British. My father was mixed race and my Mother was Irish. White British is closest to my presentation but it is a denial of a really complex family background. Race really is a spectrum. I put other now, and refuse to explain further. I’m not a cis woman. I’m a woman, but maybe we ( feminists) should all be identifying as non binary these days, if asked about gender, because we dont have a gendered identity, although I’m still trying to square that with the unequal distribution of childcare responsibilities I see across most heterosexual parents.

I have no problem with trans women wanting people to be polite to them, as that poster said. What I do have a problem with is them waving their dicks around in womens’ changing rooms and taking every trophy in womens’ sports.

Come on now, surely you know that many people find 'cis' bloody offensive. I'd be furious.

Imagine a race question where the options are 'white', 'nr' or 'other/prefer not to say'. Or, 'do you have a disability?' if yes, select from 'hearing impaired', 'wheelchair user', 'spic' or 'other/prefer not to say'.

I AM NOT FUCKING CIS.

Being born a woman and does not make you privileged. Not at all.

I want everyone to have equal rights, trans people get more rights than women do. People can live however they like and identify however they like but they cannot implore me to play along. They cannot make me put myself at greater risk every time I try to access a woman’s only space because men are allowed in. They cannot make me agree that it’s fair for a male bodied person to compete against women in sport. That is not transphobic. How can it be when I would have no problem sharing a space with trans men? Or seeing trans men compete against women?

As far as I can tell, gender dysphoria is the only mental disorder that we treat by not only affirming how the person feels about themselves, but also having the rest of society play along.
If someone was diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, which is categorised by having a grandiose sense of self and believing you deserve special treatment (and individuals that have NPD do feel very distressed when they don’t get treated this way) we wouldn’t treat that by telling them that they are indeed special, and they deserve special treatment and then telling the rest of society that they should treat them as god like individuals would we?