Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

This. What was the option for the men? Were they also described as cis? If not, I'd be raising that as an issue too.

This is rubbish.

To be 'cis' you have to agree with gender ideology.

Most women know that gender is absolutely rubbish and is harmful to women as a sex class and won't be described as such.

You can't force language or an identity we don't believe in on us against our will.

@KeyboardMash I disagree.

Only giving the options cis and trans means that they are assuming everyone believes in the concept of gender identity. I don't. This is not inclusive, and is not ok for the public sector which must not impose beliefs on its staff.

The term cis-woman also implies that women are happy to accept the sexist and regressive stereotypes placed on them due to their sex. Again, I am very much not ok with this. I am a woman without need of prefix.

No, there was a cis man thing

No.

She is a woman.

Not a subset.

I'd do this too. I'd rather make their data collection rather pointless (it's actually not helpful for me to say "rather not say") than participate in gender identity bollxks. Sex M or F is all that's required

I disagree that there should be only male only female, obviously if you’re transgender this is relevant.

Exactly. There are not categories of women.

I am a women .

I am also a ‘disabled women’ and happy to refer to myself as such when relevant to the situation.

I don’t expect women without disabilities to constantly describe themselves as ‘an able bodied women’ or ‘non-disabled women’ it’s just not necessary.

Hence this is why I myself do not use the term ‘cis-women’ It is not necessary.

‘Women’ covers it fully and accurately when asking my gender.

I have never identified as being ‘cis’ - that is a label inflicted on me by others and I refuse to use it as it is not needed.

I wouldn't complete it and would feed back that you don't have a 'gender identity' as you don't subscribe that that belief system but that you are happy to provide the information based on sex.

I suppose it all boils down to identity and what we feel like describing ourselves as.

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And nail is hit on head ... it's about what one feels like. Which can't be quantified, measured or in anyway verified. And you can change it daily if you like to one of the gazillion different genders you have to choose from.

And to compare it to race and the hundreds of years of real and actual, often violent oppression suffered by people of colour - and still being felt today - is actually offensive. So yes there may be bigger hills and all that but every hill starts with a teeny tiny, barely perceptible incline.

No it is not. People mostly agree that race exists. Not everyone has a gender identity.

I wouldn’t complete it. It doesn’t have an option for me as a woman.

That analogy doesn't make sense at all.

Females do not need to add anything to the word woman, because that is the correct word for an adult human female.

If it's got an 'other' box to write stuff then I'd put 'I'm female. I do not agree with the term 'cis' and find it offensive.'
I guess you could also contact the survey company, and also voice your views directly to them. Though the decision on phrasing it that way may have been with your employer.

No it's not - a direct comparison would be if someone was asking you to select 'black woman' or 'non-black white woman'. 'Woman' is fine as it is, it doesn't need a qualifier.

@KeyboardMash Tommyrot.

To be Cis means your gender identity corresponds to your natal sex.

The OP and I - and many others replying in this thread - do not have a gender identity, so we cannot be cis women.

We are women: female adult humans.

I think it is more like being asked your religion and being offered Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Judaism, Sikh and not being offered athiest or agnostic.

Many people think genderism is a belief system. You shouldn't be asked about a belief system without being given the option to say you don't believe in it.

There really aren't.

It's not the same at all and it is ludicrous to try and suggest that it is.

"Woman" covers it perfectly. No need for this CIS bollocks.

The options are man, trans man, woman and trans woman*. Quite straightforward.

*I'm ignoring the neutral/non binary/whatever other options there are in this instance

If you'e not a Catholic then you must be a Protestant?

No - I do not buy into your bonkers, unscientific belief system so do not use your preferred terms HTH.

It's not the same at all. And the term 'cis' is ludicrous, 'woman' (or 'man') should be sufficient. The term 'woman' (and 'man') has a specific meaning which should require no further explanation by qualifiers such as 'cis'.

Transwomen Are Women, but actual women are "cis women", ergo only transwomen can be women.

Bit ridiculous, is it not?

So how have the men reacted?

For the purpose of the survey you’re filling out, you’re a cisgendered woman. It’s semantics. The fact you’re getting remotely wound up about it suggests you do in fact have an issue with trans people and how them becoming more visible in society is changing the language we use.

do it feel upsetting to have the identity you relate to most denied? 😉