Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

The impacts on women’s sport are another issue entirely, and on that topic, I wholeheartedly believe that only women born as women should compete with each other. That’s just common sense in my opinion.

Well then you are 'transphobe' too. The activists will not settle for anything less than us accepting males who claim a gender identity in every space which should be reserved for women only.

That's exactly what they want.

It's to distinguish from trans that's all in day to day you wouldn't vocalise ut but written down uts to separate because a trans women may tick she's a woman that's all

Very good point!

No, not everyone agrees on that. I would be insulted to be called a cis woman. I’m not. I’m a woman. I don’t want to be called cis and I don’t think I should be forced to identify myself this way! I’m not forcing anyone else to identify a specific way, why shouldn’t we all have that right equally?

Everyone must be allowed to identify however they choose, and the public must support their choice. With the exception of women who have a forced prefix that we don't want.

Incredibly naive.

How many trans men are men arguments have you heard about?

How many men complaining about trans men in men's changing rooms?

How many complaints about trans men in men's sports?

How many men raped in prison by trans men?

Are you completely blind to the asymmetry of men saying they're women vs women saying they're men?

The word "woman" has always been sufficient, thank you.

Nobody would mind putting white if there were sufficient options to describe yourself accurately. Assuming you are white, if the only options you were given are Black and Asian then you would not be able to choose one. Or if your options for religion were catholic, jew, muslim and you are a protestant or an atheist, again you would not have an option to describe yourself.

I would have no problem with ciswoman being listed as an option if there are an initial question asking if you have a gender identity and then if so, are you.....

I think women should suffice but then trans women may tick that and maybe they are wanting to separate the answers

I'd click 'other' and type WOMAN in the box/just leave it as is if there's no box. If they get plenty of replies like that hopefully they'll redesign the form next time.

If it's an employee satisfaction survey I'd use the opportunity to say I found the dismissal of women employees as mere identities both demoralising and patronising. Cis is an entirely unnecessary prefix, which is why we don't see it used in literature, reporting etc.

Some women lots of us women are ok with the word cis

I think the word woman has been around since the dawn of verbal humans, long before anyone had a concept of gender! There's still probably a lot of the world's population who wouldn't recognise what a gender identity is....but how great it is that now we have so many people telling us what to think!

Well our kindness can only really go one way in this instance can’t it?

my last post on here and I genuinely find these arguments so depressing - if you’re a person who still identifies with the sex you were born as, you’re coming from a place of privilege. You can use that privilege to be a tolerant, gentle, kind and supportive person or you can use it to bitch and moan about things that have no real bearing on your existence.

if trans people are the most protected members of society like some of you have suggested, why are literal children being murdered? It’s quite frankly insane to suggest that.

violence against females is overwhelmingly a cisgendered problem. You’ll find sensationalised stories if you seek them out. Fact of the matter is, everyone just wants to live in a way that makes them happy and comfortable and free from hate. Clearly you can’t please everyone, especially those who choose to be offended but something so trivial, so yes unfortunately choices have to be made about who to stand up for and protect.

So you're also the type of person who asks where straight pride is, and 'all lives matter'? Grim.

Yes absolutely this.

It's entirely about putting women in our place.

We must be and do as men say.

We must not object to men who say they are women invading our spaces and sports.

It is the most sexist and regressive ideology.

Only a man could put on a dress, claim he is a woman and 'the most oppressed' then call a woman who disagrees a bigot!

If cis means "born as" (which it doesn't btw) then does that mean that transwomen are actually cis men?

I agree that is may be useful to know if people are trans (depends on the purpose of the study) but it is also extremely useful to know people's sex.

The only issue with ‘other’ is it looks like there’s a lot of people with different gender identities - and may make things worse long term

The OP says it does.

There isn’t one. Cis means on the same side as, and trans means on the opposite side of. If you identify as trans and want to use the term fine. But if you are a natal woman who identifies as a natal woman, no prefix needed.

Well done you for supporting a misogynistic ideology… I bet you go full on with pronouns too don’t you?
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Yes it does mean that and no because they now identity as trans women

No, it’s not like that, because "black" and "white" are equal sub-categories of women. To agree to be called "cis" means you agree that the term "woman" can be sub-divided into equally valid sub-categories: cis and trans. And I, and many others, don’t agree with that.