Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Language is changing to make marginalised people more visible - this is a good thing. It’s paves the way for stopping hate crime, it helps us teach our children kindness and respect, it makes our society a more tolerant place to be.

Men in dresses are not marginalised. Many of them are acting out their kinks in public. They are the most protected class of people in the UK and much of the Western World.

So sick of people making a fuss when there is no fuss to be made about things like this

if there is no fuss to be made - why did someone make a fuss to get cis woman only on a survey, where woman would have sufficed

Except not everyone agrees woman is a descriptor for gender. It has always been used to mean "adult human female". The fact some people are using is to mean something else does not mean they are correct.

Feminine/masculine are the terms that have traditionally been used to describe gender while woman/man and female/male are used to describe sex.

And while I'm having a rant( I'll ask for forgiveness, it's my age!). Why an I not allowed to identify as a woman? Just woman, nothing else.

Nobody. It’s trotted out almost automatically in place of a cogent argument.

Exactly.

Don’t do that. It essentially gets grouped in with trans etc and over inflates the numbers included in “not identifying as women”.

e.g. if you have 80% choosing cis-woman, 5% trans-woman, 15% other, that gets aggregated as 80% XX women and 20% in a special category that needs additional accommodation.

Some women did that on twitter, they identified as trans women, it really upset a lot of men.

I disagree, but I respect your opinion. I do things are a bit panicked when it comes to this topic. Thanks for your response. Always good to have open discussions about things like this.

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The irony in you telling everyone to be be kind 😂😂😂

It's like filling out out a survey and being asked "what colour is your aura?" and being given some colour options, plus maybe "I don't know" or "I prefer not to say", but I don't actually believe that I have an aura, at all. The survey just assumes that we all subscribe to a worldview that takes auras for granted when we don't.

It’s only an afront to women if there’s no “cis man” option.

Absolutely! Who cares how people address you or refer to you?

I mean it's not as if people make a big deal about using "they/them", neopronouns, "dead-naming" and "misgendering", is it?

Or is it only those who are trans-identifying who are allowed to specify what they want other people to call them?

I’m not religious, but I think it’s quite disrespectful to say that all religious beliefs are nonsense.

The impacts on women’s sport are another issue entirely, and on that topic, I wholeheartedly believe that only women born as women should compete with each other. That’s just common sense in my opinion.

Language is changing to make marginalised people more visible - this is a good thing. It’s paves the way for stopping hate crime, it helps us teach our children kindness and respect, it makes our society a more tolerant place to be.

Kindness and respect need to work both ways.

it helps us teach our children kindness and respect, it makes our society a more tolerant place to be.

nope! All it does is tell women that they don’t matter and frankly I’d rather not be tolerant of a society where a man wearing a dress was enabled to be ceo of a rape crisis charity where he told women they need to reframe their trauma, of a society where women are forced out of sport fir saying they don’t want to compete with men “identifying” as women and a society where women in prison have been raped by men identifying as women and therefore being locked up with women

thats not a kind society for women at all

Wow. Can’t believe there are still so many pick-me handmaids willing to burn other women to appease the misogynists… 😟

We are women. That’s it. No other bullshit needed thank you.

You clearly don’t understand why so many women find that Latin prefix so offensive.

If you don’t ‘believe’ in gender ideology then you can’t really describe yourself as a woman 😅 you’d simply be a female!

No, you numpty, that's not what Woman means, @Waitingforthecold .

Feminine and masculine are genders. I am neither masculine nor feminine.

As a feminist I understand gender is a set of expectations society attempts to impose upon me because of my sex. It is not innate.

Woman means an adult human of the female sex. Man is the adult human of the male sex. See also cow and bull, queen and tom, jenny and jack, sow and boar, etc etc - terms for the adults of wither sex in assorted mammals.

There isn't any difference until circa 2000.

I don't use the meaning of gender beyond this point in time. It's meaningless so why bother. Nobody can define it so it's a worthless term.

Prior to 2000 it meant "sex".

Happy to be educated but if
cis women means women
cis man means man

what is the need or purpose of the term cis

Spot on i find mumsnet really prevalent about this. Why would it annoys you so much the science word cis just means same as . Why does it upset so many women

Your argument isn’t stacking up

Yanbu op

You make a fair point, and I respect that. But it is my personal opinion that we have to make accommodations for people that are transgender. I have no issues with it at all. I understand lots of people disagree with this, but that’s just my opinion.