Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Women are adult human females, which means that trans identified males are in fact, not women.

They cannot not what it is to be a woman, any more than I can know what it is to be a man.

I thought we'd got past this in the last thread, @DadJoke.

I don't know how to express more clearly my conviction that we need a word for adult human females.

Just one issue with the above, on top of various others already pre-emptively highlighted that you appear to have missed...

My understanding is that transwomen aren't perceived and oppressed as women in Afghanistan. I've little doubt that, if they are "out" there, they face their own respective, unthinkable, challenges.

But not the same as women do.

Not at all.

What gives you the right to conflate these groups and misrepresent their realities by appropriating language to serve your own, distinct, ideological ends?

Well you are wrong sir because transwomen are men!

'Do you prefer to present with the societal norms of the sex other than the one you were born into?' is a bit of a mouthful. But- correct.

I'll set up a camp chair beside you, in the hope we finally get a answer to the question 'how do we tell the bad ones from the good ones'. I'm not holding out hope through.

rustles paper bag. Mint imperial?

No!
I don't believe in "gender" only sex.
My sex is female I don't have "gender" as it's a made up concept.

Mirriam-Webster says:

Are 'cisgender,' 'cisgendered,' and 'cis' slurs?
A slur is a word or phrase that is intended to insult or disparage someone. A term that is neutral can become a slur over time, but our current evidence shows that cisgenderand its variants are overwhelmingly used neutrally.

Have you considered the effect on public healthcare messaging and the measurable (and measured) difficulty unclear messaging (e.g. around "those with a cervix" rather than "women") has caused those women not lucky enough to be as well educated as the two of us, or who do not speak English as their first language? actually you know what? I hadn't considered that and I thank you for making me consider it. It's a really important point.

men in Afghanistan are the oppressor. Women are the oppressed.

I would wager a massive bet that not one single male in Afghanistan has identified as a woman because there's nothing in it for them.

@Waitwhat23 Thank you, new friend! And yes, please, to the mint.

ArabellaScott · Today 21:25

Cis is akin to 'heathen' or the Arabic word for non believer that is also used as an offensive term.

A derivative of that word is also highly offensive in South Africa, when applied to Black people.

It’s not necessary

Woman is fine

It you need to capture transgender use that

I don't think it should be "observed" I think it should just be

And to @TofuTart, in the event that you're offended by such levity...

It's partly a bloody coping mechanism.

This matters to us. It distresses us.

It is a slur - an offensive slur - the research will catch up eventually.

I consider it a slur as it does not resemble how I feel about myself.

Why is it ok for you to dismiss women's feelings but the men in dresses can label themselves the most oppressed at the expense of us women?

Hell, why am I even bothering asking? You won't deign to answer me.

Another question can be asked about gender. Male or female needs to be collected.

Sex, male or female, is important for many reasons. Including provision of single sex services at work and understanding the balance of each sex in the work place.

It is also important to know how many people might have a transgender identity so that their unique needs can be considered.

men in Afghanistan are the oppressor. Women are the oppressed

Agree

I would wager a massive bet that not one single male in Afghanistan has identified as a woman because there's nothing in it for them

Or maybe because trans people will still exist, they just don't feel safe coming out, and so don't.
Not "because there's nothing in it for them."

It's obvious. Dad Joke is an advocate for male people.

A TRA or an MRA. S(he) doesn't give a shit about the impact on women. We are not relevant.

@DadJoke not everyone subscribes to gender ideology as you do

Many women find that term offensive

You know this already.

Whilst you're here, how do I tell the difference between a man pretending to be a trans and a trans identified male?

I am not sure why I am bothering to post, in my world this is just woke bullshit with a tiny fragment of society even recognising this niche but offensive slur, 99% of people I know would think cis is short for cissy and we all know what that means!

None of this is remotely mainstream and never will be. It’s being dismantled as we speak and good riddance.

In a decades time it’ll be bleeped out like the N word us now

Thfrog · Today 21:40

+ + sex is observed and recorded at birth, not assigned. + +

I don't think it should be "observed" I think it should just be

Well yes, but it is observed and recorded for birth certificates...