Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

So you ask people to refer to you as they/them instead of she?

Someone rise being trans does not stop me being “a woman”

As has been explained to you, ''cis'' doesn't necessarily simply mean ''not trans'' - which is on its own a silly description anyway.

There are those right here in this thread saying it means ''our sexed body aligns with our gender''.

Which is about as clear as mud. Because what is gender? How do I know they match?

No, the term is female adult not cis anything.

We don't need a definition.

You can keep accurate figures without using the the term cis.

What was your sex at birth?

Do you have a gender identity that differs to your sex at birth?

If yes, are you trans / non binary / other.

That way you can keep track of individuals sex and gender identity. Given sex is a protected characteristic, it's probably a good idea to track that.

I hope those of you pushing Cis aren't in senior positions at your workplace, or you'll be bringing your employers serious trouble by misrepresenting the Equality Act.

I am and have always been female my entire life.
When I was younger I was a girl.
Now that I’m an adult I’m a woman.
I’m not a ‘cis’ anything.

If you read the posts you’ll see what the issue is.

There’s loads explaining why.

Why would she do that? She/he have always been used to refer to women(girls)/men(boys). That doesn't change just because I believe gender is a load of sexist crap and I refuse to subscribe to it.

(Waits in corner, hoping she's not being given the silent treatment for asking overly difficult questions again...

Also hoping for a rapid reply as she needs to go to bed very soon... 😅)

Yeah, but the trans lobby don't accept that - they want to make out that it is literally possible for a human to actually change sex. So unless you have cis / trans on forms etc, you're not going to get accurate answers.

Cis just means not trans - getting worked up about it is like bellowing it outrage "I'm not NOT FRENCH, I'm BRITISH!!!. You're both.

What adjective would you prefer for someone who is not transgender where the difference is important if you need to capture this information?

Sex at birth is easy to ask

So you are not a transgender person?

Problem is those who insist by not being trans, I'm agreeing with gender stereotypes - I do not and never have.

And it narrows the bandwith of what it means to be a woman to say these tropes, these ''feelings'' are what makes one a woman. Its demonstrably untrue. And hurtful to those little girls growing up - like I once did - disliking themselves for not ''being feminine enough''.

So I hate the term ''cis'' For more reasons than one, defining women on biology makes the most sense and is the most compassionate.

She is a woman, no prefix needed.

Cis doesn't deal with the dilemma I present, @DadJoke.

(Nor did the offensively disingenuous "Wot, who sez Afghan women aren't oppressed?")

Why don't you tell us TransDadjoke? You seem to enjoy telling women what we should and shouldn't do.

Nope. Ignoring the actual Latin origins of the terms cis/trans, cisgender means you have a gender identity that aligns with your sex. By definition, it cannot include those of us who do not have a gender identity.

Interesting how the definition of the term keeps changing as its flaws are pointed out.

Sure, but in order to have figures on how many trans employees you have, you would then have to ask, in some form of words, which sex they call themselves now.

Man, woman and trans are the only groups required.

The term that describes their sex - so man, or woman.

No prefix required - woman has served us fine for 1000’s of years

The whole ideology is based on a house of cards.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive