Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

I’m not a gender identifying woman though.

Here we go, @DadJoke. There was another version earlier, but there seemed to be some disingenuous misunderstanding of that, so I posted this to clarify.

Quite like quoting myself! Didn't think it would work. 😎

If they're trying to keep accurate figures on how many of their employees are trans, there is. Because if the only option is man / woman, all the trans women will tick woman, and they can't keep accurate stats.

@SuzanneRogers

Based on posts from another thread where a poster assured us that cis women are what we should be talking about when referring to two male boxers who competed in the female category of boxing in the Paris Olympics, I decided that we need as many women who read these threads to understand just what that term means.

The term 'cis' is now meaningless because it also now includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes, ie. a male person with a difference of sex development that have testes or testes tissue. Such as Caster Semenya.

Therefore, female people have no unique words that describe just those female people who have a body ^^formed around the production of large gametes.

None.

There is no word left for female people. Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’.

Because 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.

2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:

Cis = (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **

and

= (3) Any person who has a female body^^

Trans = (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

There is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is now shown to be meaningless and it always was.

It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

(sorry, the formatting on this post is probably higgly piggly, hopefully the pic helps)

All I can say is, if going to hell means not being near those kind of people for eternity, then they really need to work on their threats.

@SpudleyLass ikwym

Or hear me out

Three boxes - man, woman, trans identifying.

No they can have woman and transwonan

Not really that complicated

What about those who have genders that are other than 'man' or 'woman'?

Isn't it far better to ask if employees are 'male' or 'female'? And expect that employees will be honest and give accurate sex data....

I’m not a ‘cis’ anything.
I’m a WOMAN.
What’s so hard to understand about that?

Cis a discriminatory slur, and op should escalate tomorrow first thing.

How exactly does it hurt you to be so described?

Oh, wait, it doesn't. Your objection is because it acknowledges trans people. Can't have that, can we ?🙄

None of it changed the fact that cisgender simply means not transgender. You don’t have to believe trans women are women to be cisgender.

i am not telling anyone they are wrong. I am politely explaining to gender critical people (not women in general) what this adjective means. If you object to being called not transgender and you are not transgender, I don’t understand what the issue is.

As has been said many times @AgileGreenSeal you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Gender identity ideology is fundamentally irrational.

As is prejudice.

Whereas acknowledging women and girls as female and therefore separate from the bepenised, is evil and must be prevented at all costs.

It degrades a woman nothing to do with a bloody trans person!!!

None of it changed the fact that cisgender simply means not transgender.

This is demonstrably untrue.

Are you transgender or not transgender if you don’t mind me asking?

It’s beyond ridiculous isn’t it that those of us who are happy to be known as women as we have for 1000’s of years are apparently only wanting to be described accurately because we’re big old bigoted hateful transphobes.

We object to being called cis or cisgender when we don't have a bloody gender, cisDadJoke.

I don't think the "trans women are women" gang would though, would they?

Yes that makes you anti trans. welcome to the dark side.

Fucking Christ, the idea that if you're a woman and accept it as a fact, you are privileged.

No property rights.
No inheritance rights.
No right to vote or get involved in the political process.
No access to positions of power within religious organisations, especially in times / places when the religious leaders were / are the main political / social rule makers.
Being segregated socially by the denial of membership of clubs, organisations etc where important, rich, and powerful men hobnob with each other, forge connections, and make decisons.
Second class citizens with no legal rights, passed from their father's guardianship to their husband's.
Domestic violence (i.e., violence by men towards women) being just fine and dandy.
Rape.
Rape within a marriage not seen as rape.
Rape being blamed on the victim, aka "she asked for it"
Prostitution.
Slut-shaming.
Not being allowed to workout outside the home.
Being kept out of education.
Being kept out of high paying jobs.
Crappy maternity provisions in the workplace.
Lack of access to public toilets for women.
Breastfeeding in public being frowned upon.
Rules about exactly how much of one's body must be covered for "modesty", and in order to not lead men astray.
Generally being seen as responsible for men's thoughts and actions.
Rules about having to wear restrictive clothing, such as heels and skirts.
Rules about having fo wear revealing clothing, such as if you just want to play beach volleyball or do gymnastics.
Mostly being ignored by modern medicine, because men are seen as the standard buman and women are these weird crearures with strange hormones.
"Wandering wombs", "hysteria" etc.
Child marriage.
Forced marriage.
FGM.
Menstruation huts.
The Magdalene Laundries.
Restrictions on contraception.
Restrictions on abortion.
Criminalisation of abortion.
Persecution of "witches"

All of this, done to women throughout human history, because they are female. Such privilege!

Woah, this is why I don't do AIBU. Too fast!

@DadJoke, if you ever find me again 😂. From my options, you appear to be a #4? My impression of you is that you're more open-minded than this, though, so maybe you can talk me through the rationale behind the inconsistency in your use of "woman". I'd be especially interested in the impact of this newly introduced ambiguity in different contexts. Two examples:

1. The Amnesty post that claimed Afghan women were "identifying" as such, and that caused considerable distress with people calling it out as issue #1 in my list above

2. The confusion I witnessed in a group of young teens recently as they simply failed to understand that some girls in Afghanistan have disguised themselves as boys to access an education - I'm really not joking when I say that a large proportion of them appeared to think that this meant the girls had "become" - (their word, used repeatedly) - boys.

Do you see issues with these?