Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

I don't know what my ''gender'' is, I do know what my sex is though.

So how can I be cis?

Unless you agree, that women are indeed biologically female?

According to Google it only became a word in 1994

And no one much used it for another 20 or so years.

And don’t tell me that objecting to describing myself as ‘cis’ is a benign act.

I do NOT identify as gender woman with all that brings with it. I don’t have a gender identity and the crap that society ascribes to the female role is certainly not me.

So? I said I didn’t think it was fair for trans women to compete in women’s sports. And there are a few more than I thought, but still not very many. I don’’t think it’s a reason to be so shrilly anti trans.

If your sexed body matches up with your gender,

Gender is.an arbitrary and culturally specific collection of stereotypes. How on earth can it 'match' my sex?

Who's going to tell me what my 'gender' is? Is it about what clothes I prefer? My hairstyle?!

You really, really don't get it. Is this your first time hearing gender-critical opinions?

What impact does it really have on everyone else’s life? Very little.

Have you not heard of Katie Dolatowski, Adam Graham, Andrew Miller, Karen White, Mridul Wadhwa, Lia Thomas, Veronica Ivy, Valentina Petrillo, the "woman" who raped a woman on a "women's" hospital ward (both names not public)? Or do you just not care?

There is no evil trans-movement trying to eradicate women and women’s spaces.

Um, yes there is. Read up on Mridul Wadhwa for starters, along with Sarah Summers' case against the Rape Crisis Centre in Brighton.

I’d rather people around me be able to be happy and identify as whatever they want than be unhappy all their lives.

Well I want everyone to be happy. But if that means men trampling over women's rights, then no. 'Cis' is not a simple prefix on a form. It's taking away the right of women to define ourselves as a sex class, that of 'women'. If we can't define ourselves, we can't protect our rights.

Yes! Great post!

'Shrill'

And there we have it.

I think that by using "shrilly" you are projecting your own bias on to my post.
But thanks for the offensive misogynistic term.

No they’re not - that’s the “other” option. (Although most people have an internal sense of their gender - it’s why they no longer operate on intersex children until they are old enough to decide for themselves.)

Being literally ''othered''. How inclusive.

I will never, ever use the term ‘cis’.
I’m an adult human female. A WOMAN.
There no need to say ‘cis’.

Ah yes, the transing of the dead.

Who have we had so far? Off the top of my head, Joan of Arc, Louisa May Alcott, Hapshepshut, the Bronte sisters...

It’s not language. It’s biological fact.

Hey, @tofu and @PiggleToes. Still around? I'm surprised, given your commitment to debunking all our arguments, that you've not addressed my question yet. I gave up waiting, assuming it was too difficult, but maybe you just missed it. (NB. If I've missed your reply, do let me know - haven't read everything beyond my past post).

I'll try again, while responding to your last as well.

For Tofu:

"Woman" used to mean "adult human female". Because of this, there was no meaningful uncertainty about who was "in here" (by which I assume you mean female-only spaces), as there was no reason to assume the people there wouldn't be female. I completely agree with you that it's upsetting that, now that any male can claim to be a woman and enter such spaces, females have become anxious and suspicious in a way they didn't used to be. Doesn't this really say a lot about how fearful this must have made females, and isn't it, as you say, a huge step backwards in the rights of any (apocryphal?) butch lesbian caught in the middle? I'm glad you acknowledge these issues with trans ideology.

Do you also agree with me that another key issue with it is that adult human females in Afghanistan no longer have a word to describe themselves, and their western supporters no longer have a word to use to raise awareness of the source of these females' oppression, their biological sex?

If not, can you explain why?

For Piggle:

What is language?

Well, I'd say the means by which we organise the world in a way that reflects our values. For example, I believe that the 51% of the global population oppressed on the basis of their biology deserve the right to retain the word they've used for over 1000 years, or at least to defend this right without being called bigots. I also believe the small proportion of people who are trans need words to distinguish themselves. I believe there's a conflict of rights here, and come down on the side of retaining "woman" for adult human females, from a utilitarian "greater good" perspective.

Your turn.

No, it's like a Catholic telling an atheist they'll pray for their soul even after being told they don't believe in god.

Some people believe in gender identity, and some don't. You can't force your beliefs on anyone. Gender identity is not a scientifically proven fact. Therefore it's nothing like a person being straight.

I don't have a gender identity, I'm no more "cis" than I am a frog!

Eek at shrill

Am I right in thinking that your anti trans stance only really applies to trans women? You’d happily accept a trans man in a female only space — except you probably wouldn’t because you’d think he was a man, invading women’s spaces.

Maybe, maybe not. I see a lot of transmen where it's quite obvious that is what they are, due to height, hand size, weight carried on hips and rear etc.

Regardless, yes women and girls should be in spaces designated for them.

NewFriendlyLadybird

Do you also think that the girls that are forfeiting volleyball matches due to a trans girl playing on the San Jose state team are also being "shrilly anti trans"?

Or are they sticking up for their rights to play in an all girls league?

If you want to call me "cis", that's up to you. Insulting, I feel, but that's your choice. However, you do not get to insist that I call myself "cis". Hell will freeze over before I do that.

What is the source on the claim that ''most people have an internal sense of gender''?

It is because of everything that 3 letter word brings with it. To accept cis is to accept Women doesn't exist as a word or as a thing. Trans women are a subset of men trans men are a subset of women, men and women are the sex categories, trans are the subsets. Wed don't feel our sex we just are.

I know! Waiting to see if we hit the trifecta of shrill/hysterical/silly.

What is the source on the claim that ''most people have an internal sense of gender''?

I'm waiting patiently for concrete evidence of this as well.

There are at least 3 posters like @DadJoke and @Puddingcakes in the last 2 pages who clearly have not read the last 30 pages, or maybe they did, but still wanted to tell women we are wrong for objecting to cis.