Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Spot on.

Cis means "not trans". That's all it means. So regardless of whether you've ever worked with (or met, for that matter) transgender "women", you are.

You are a cis woman. It really isn’t worth getting worked up over.

I did it's a film?

And trans''women'' are men. Not worth getting worked up over.

Regardless of how you chose to answer it, I would feedback to your managers or whoever organised the survey that you objected to that term otherwise how will they know?

I don’t think you get a say on what the op feels

And she’s not unless you buy into gender ideology

You can't tell someone else how they identify

You said you hate the word inclusion, and not just on this topic, so I was just asking where else you hate the word inclusion? As in what other topics?

''Man'' just means to be an adult male. Thats all it means. Its not a judgement, its a statement of observable fact.

There are only two types of gametes. Which one you produce, ultimately determines your sex.

And man and woman have always been terms relating to sex, not ''gender''.

Cis does not mean ‘not trans’. How many fucking times does the term have to be explained ? It’s a Latin prefix meaning on the same side. Trans means on the opposite side. If someone born a man wants to identify as a woman then they use the word ‘Trans’ - the opposite gender from that of their birth. Someone born as a woman who identifies as a woman doesn’t need a prefix for that. They are a woman. Man, woman, male, female are all terms to describe sex, not gender.

Elsvieta and Puddingcakes

Except that under trans ideology rules you are wrong to incorrectly gender somebody as that's literal violence.

It's not because a survey on women of different ethnicities wouldn't say "black woman" - it would say black, white, mixed-race, Indian, Chinese, etc. because the survey is already about women.

Everyone has an ethnicity, but not everyone has a gender identity.

The irony of being ‘educated’ by people who think cis is the Latin for ‘born as’ / simply means you’re not trans, and that the word ‘woman’ relates to gender only.

People whose posts make clear haven’t or won’t actually think this thing through.

With respect to the word woman, you do realise that there are transwomen who insist they are female? Whatever word you try to reserve to describe the female sex will be targeted as the aim here is to deny any meaningful distinction between transwomen and women. This has a number of ramifications that some of us care about.

Being GC is not upholding the patriarchy by 'painting females as vulnerable' in the sense of being somehow pathetic, needy of males or anything with some kind of negative connotation.
The 'vulnerability' comes from the sexual differences between males and females, which have nothing to do with gender. As a sex class, women are weaker, smaller and slower than men; we also cannot rape - often used as a weapon of war - because we don't have penises; many women also go through pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, which makes us physically more vulnerable during those times. It is also clear than men are far more violent and far more criminal than women, and that is irrespective of 'gender'.
It is of no relevance whatsoever that many men are good and kind, or that some/many women are tough as old boots; the issue is that at population level, we are vulnerable to male violence.
That is a fact, like sex.
This is not to put women down. Being bigger, stronger, faster and more violent than us does not make men better than us. Some may say rather the opposite. But it does mean that if we want an 'equal' society, women do have to have sex-based rights.

If your sexed body matches up with your gender, and you don't feel any mismatch, then you're cis.
Whether you like the term or not.
It's like someone saying "I'm not straight, I'm just normal! I don't need another word!"

It means not transgender. If you are not transgender, then you are cisgender.

No, I'm not cisgender. I don't identify that way.

No, you insinuated that I hated including people. That is not what I said.

The term ''inclusion'' is no longer necessarily the positive force it once was.

Including men in spaces that were designed for women to take a breather from men, is not inclusion because it harms women and girls. Sexual attacks on women and girls increased in mixed sex spaces. I'm happy to throw a couple links on that here if you'd like.

But to answer your other question, SEN. Or ''Inclusivity in mainstream'' - for many SEN children, they simply cannot cope in mainstream provision, like my daughter cannot.

So trying to spin it as a positive without putting in the support needed to make it work for children like my daughter, means its virtue signalling at best - ignoring SEN support needs in order to save money at worst.

Forcing gender neutral spaces does nothing for women and girls and actually puts them in danger. But we hear the word ''inclusion'' and supposed to think ''ah well then, it must be alright''.

I am NOT a cis woman. I am a woman. You do NOT get to decide what I am. And it absolutely IS worth getting worked up over. I'm apparently not allowed to argue that a transwoman is a man and should only be able to identify as such. That goes both ways.

Only if you subscribe to gender ideology

Not everyone does

Women can reject it as they wish

Again by your own rules you are not allowed to mis-gender or force a gender identity on a person as that is literal violence and offensive.

I think it's clear that some people view calling women "cis" as a power trip.

According to Google it only became a word in 1994

Tbh I don’t care about Latin