Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Not what I said, but thanks for playing

A hen is female chicken, a rooster is a male chicken. A buck is a male deer and a doe is a female deer. A male goat is a billy goat and a female goat is a nanny. A stallion is a male horse and a mare is a female horse.

A man is a male human and a woman is a female human. That is what those words have meant across languages and cultures for millennia.

What exactly are trans people not being included in?

Sending an unsolicited dick pic is a criminal offence but claiming to be female and getting your dick out in the female changing rooms is inclusive and #bekind

Some dude flashed me when I was 19, chased me up the street in his car. I was so shocked and embarrassed, I just went to work as normal and tried to forget about it, but its been about 13 years now and I remember everything

But apparently, we're not allowed to discriminate against those who like to publicise their paraphilias, so I suppose if he decided to call himself a woman and enter our spaces, I'd be the bigot for trying to sound the alarm.

How do you tell the difference ?

Now you’d be told to reframe your trauma and sent for re education.

Then surely "woman" and "transwoman" would suffice; and transwomen should tick the appropriate box? 🤷‍♂️

Google it.

What strikes me is a whole shadowy world of men moving through this earth determined to destroy women, as we can see clearly on here. Motivated by jealously, resentment and anger.

Luckily, back in the real world I have never heard of the stupid term cis and I’m never likely to! It’s a sub language that was devised to harm and they have tried and failed to inflict it on the wider public.

No one I know would dare to inflict such a slur in the real world, and I would expect disciplinary action to be forthcoming if it happened in a work place, and social exclusion outside. It’s not any more acceptable to the public than any other discriminatory language.

It says everything about the kind of person using it, and along with their mummy issues shows an insidious desire to degrade women and girls. So I’d watch out using such awful language beyond an anonymous forum. Everyone can see who you are.

Nobody is born in the "wrong body", its an impossibility. We each have our own body not anybody elses.I imagine people with chronic illness or serious physical disability might sometimes wish they had a different body but that just isnt an option.

If you don’t like the terms just say “prefer not to say” but it seems silly to me. “Cis” just means “not trans”.

in most circumstances it’s not necessary but it seems here the organisation wants to count the numbers of women who identify with the sex they were born and the ones who don’t.

This is akin to a survey on women of different ethnicities and somebody not wanting to select “black woman” and instead just wanting to select “woman”. Ok - but that does not help with the survey.

THIS

See, this is where we differ.
You say the "handmaid reference upholds the patriarchy" - I'd say that's the GC/rad fem viewpoint that does that
Anyone who doesn't agree with the GC view must be a man.
They "type" think like a man (whatever that means) therefore must be a man.
Women are painted as vulnerable, don't know their own minds - (whether it's women committing crimes, or trans men must have just been groomed/vulnerable.
The policing of what a woman should or shouldn't look like (butch women being told they look like a man, should they be in here etc)
They're the ones who are upholding the patriarchy.

I don't have a "gender identity".

I have a religion. I don't expect questions about religion to exclude those who don't have one. If a questionnaire says "none" for a religion option, there should also be a "none" for a gender identity question.

I ignore these surveys but if I have to fill it in I always select "prefer not to answer" for a gender question.

What cis means depends on who you ask.

Some like you, say it just means not trans, but that is still silly. I don't go around describing myself as a ''non man'' or a ''non stamp collector''.

Others say it means you actually agree with a ''gender identity'' - whatever that even means, accorded to your sex.

Which sounds an awful lot like sexist stereotypes so naturally, a lot of women are going to feel some type of way about this.

“Slur”

😂

If you don’t like the terms just say “prefer not to say” but it seems silly to me. “Cis” just means “not trans”.

No, it doesn't, I don't believe that males can be women so it's imposing an ideology on me.

in most circumstances it’s not necessary but it seems here the organisation wants to count the numbers of women who identify with the sex they were born and the ones who don’t.

It doesn't, because it's counting males as women.

This is akin to a survey on women of different ethnicities and somebody not wanting to select “black woman” and instead just wanting to select “woman”. Ok - but that does not help with the survey.

It isn't "akin" to this at all.

I think they should just put..

• Trans woman
• Actual biological woman ✔️

I’d be ok with that.

Except all of that is bass ackwards.

I'm literally looking at something on facebook right now where TRAs are trying to say that a woman buried millennia ago with weaponry couldn't possibly smply have just been a female warrior - she must have been non binary or even a trans man.

Nothing GCers or Rad Fems do, benefits men. That can't be said for trans right activisits and yes, handmaidens.

You’ve got this wrong

It’s just about biology, a woman is not any particular way

JHound

If you don’t like the terms just say “prefer not to say” but it seems silly to me. “Cis” just means “not trans”.

"Cis" means "this side of", "Trans" means "the other side of" in both geography and chemistry.

That a minority group wishes to change (and has changed) its definition does not mean that everybody should be forced to use it in that way. Especially when that change means that you are being forced to agree with an ideology.

I wonder if chickens can be trans

Urgh. This reminds me of school paperwork
I completed for my DS recently.
It said 'preferred pronoun' I aggressively crossed out 'preferred' . He's a male, under 10, there's no preference about it IMO!

Except by doing so they are excluding all the women who don't have a gender identity.