Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Trans box isn't what the OP is bothered about. It's the cis box.

If there were two boxes
"Christian" and
"Infidel"
I think we'd see people understanding rather quickly why the infidel box is completely unacceptable and only a result of pandering.

Dont forget male crimes being categorised as women's crimes sexual assaults and violence etc.

I couldn’t give a toss about what ‘activists’ say.

That makes two of us then. I don't really give a toss that some male people think they're women (live and let live but I don't believe they are) in any other sense than where it affects my own rights to safety, privacy and dignity and to advocate for the rights of female people.

@NewFriendlyLadybird
Have we found a definition of sec and gender yet?
What are the definitions

A response I would give a C- for a year 8 essay was given earlier, by which I mean someone quoted the first thing they got off Google - and then laughably actually admitted and defended that decision as if it made what they said true.

Do you have a coherent definition of the two terms sex and gender?

I don’t give a flying fuck whether trans women exist or not. Just as long as they don’t try to take away my long and hard fought for rights as a natal woman they can do what they like.

Sorry for a year 8 answer. Obviously for an essay it would be a fail.

Why should women have to define themselves as 'not trans'? There are women, and there are transwomen, no 'cis' is required!

In all my many years, I've never seen anyone waving their genitals around in changing rooms.

Ah, ‘they’.

Am I right in thinking that your anti trans stance only really applies to trans women? You’d happily accept a trans man in a female only space — except you probably wouldn’t because you’d think he was a man, invading women’s spaces.

I grant that there are men who have seemingly pretended to be trans women in order to sexually assault women. But those aren’t trans women, those are men. And there’s a very small number of them. And I totally agree that trans women shouldn’t compete in sports where their residual muscular strength will give them an unfair advantage. But again there are only a tiny number of cases. In fact, I can only think of one.

Even if an actual trans woman has personally harmed you, that is still no reason to stereotype a whole group.

Mridul Wadhwa resigned rather than being let go.

Sandy Brindley, CEO of SRC, remains in post despite the shocking failures indicated in an independent review, following an excoriating Employment Tribunal - https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/resources/ERCC-Review-Report-FINAL1-.pdf

Really? I once saw a woman blow drying her fanny in a gym changing rooms.

When was the last time you referred to yourself as anything but a woman in RL?
I called myself a woman the other day..As I am
I'm not erased, nobody expired, I can still call myself a woman.

Presumably because you are a woman and women don't have genitalia that can be waved around?

😂
Thanks for that mental image lol 😭🤣
Haven't seen anything like that, no.
Would definitely be like WTF if I did

Twice. Once on my own, once with a young niece. First time around a man dressed in a skirt and top brought several changes of clothes into the open changing room. Stripped off, no underwear. Took their time changing, by which time myself and a few other women had flung our clothes back on and fled. Second time, similar. In a dress - clearly an intact man when they undressed to try things on. Niece was horrified and was shaking by the time we got back to the car. You think this acceptable. I don’t give a shit if it doesn’t happen often. Once is too often.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/transgender-sex-offenders-placed-in-womens-jails-in-scotland/

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252 (this is also in The Times but I don't have a share token).

Sex is biological; gender is constructed, including social, cultural, and behavioural characteristics.

Of course it’s only a tiny number of violent men who claim to be trans women who assault women - oh wait!!

So what’s the number that’s ok before we accept that it’s not just the odd couple of outliers?

A newborn baby doesn't feel like a boy or a girl. And if it did you can't ask it and get answer to find out.

So do we have newborns that are girls or boys?

Any at all?
None?

Only those who assert at birth how they feel?

It’s not stereotyping. It’s one more example of how men harm women. This time by hiding in plain sight.

Though I presume you’re familiar with the nurses currently going to court over this very issue?

Pretended to be transwomen?

SO how do we tell those who are pretending from those who are genuine?

I grant that there are men who have seemingly pretended to be trans women in order to sexually assault women.

Are you really not aware how many actual "trans women" have sexually assaulted women? It's not just other men pretending.

And the issue is once male bodies start invading female single sex space how do we tell the ‘good’ guys apart from the ones with an anterior motive? So surely the best safe guarding is that we continue to segregate by sex

Males pose a risk to women. Not "cis men" or whatever obfuscatory jargon.