Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

That is how the trans people I know personally, both male and female, have described their feelings.

It's not the current activist way of framing it. It's too binary and exclusionary of trans people who don't want any medical intervention and think a "woman" can have an entirely male body and there is nothing that links it to the female anatomy.

I mean, they’re not. They’re not old enough

They have in America. You do realise American women post here too?

But the 'transwoman' shouldn't tick 'woman', because he's not a woman. Why does a man (transwoman) get to tick 'woman', but a woman is required to tick 'cis-woman'?

Our thoughts and culture and well, everything, evolve through the words we use. I want the word I use for people of my own sex to remain woman and not be corrupted to something synonymous with "not a transwoman". And it is so try-hard, too. Whoever is pushing this change is trying hard to piss me off. I mean, woman, man, transwoman, transman isn't good enough; does not bend the knee enough. Instead we have to define ourselves purely through gender identity ideology: cis woman, cis man, transwoman, transman. Fuck that.

"There is no swifter route to the corruption of thought than through the corruption of language." George Orwell.

And in the UK unfortunately girls are being prescribed hormone treatment and given breast binders.

Not so common now but privately it happened.

Very few people had a problem with the trans community prior to circa 2015/2016.

There is a very good reason for that - self reflection needed on part of the trans community, not women who are already struggling with the BS we have to deal with on the basis of our sex.

I'm going to get called a misandrist for this, but fuck it. Its quite a male thing to expect women to accommodate all their whims and fancies.

My own bloody husband does this at time when we're talking about feminism v men on the whole. He is getting better at understanding, but there are times when I've had to explain to him that sometimes women get better emotional support or support full stop because we have collectivised to make that happen off our own back whereas men are less likely but that I'd be fully supportive of men who'd do so.

I find the whole gender ideology to be much the same way. Just unadulterated male anger that us women folk aren't doing their bidding and putting their narcissism above our own (very basic) needs.

There's been several on this thread.

"Several" doesn't equal "lots of" either.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

'More than 50 transgender boys under the age of 18 have been approved for double mastectomies in Scotland, it has been revealed.'

I beg your pardon. 16 and 17 year olds.

For those who can't read the article:

'Fifty-one teenagers aged 16 and 17 who were born as females were sent to hospitals in England to undergo further assessment for “specialist chest reconstruction” over the past six years, The Telegraph reported. In theory, those as young as 17 can undergo the procedure, and children aged 16 have been “referred for assessment for surgery”.'

I very much hope that post Cass no 16 and 17 year olds will be having mastectomies of healthy breasts. The article is from 2021.

But let nobody say it never happened.

I couldn’t give a toss about what ‘activists’ say. What I loathe are these knee jerk generalisations, assumptions about and hatred for people who are just people living their lives and dealing with their own challenges — and honestly not trying to get in the way of anyone else. It wasn’t a trans activist who put ‘cis woman’ on the form but a market researcher/statistician trying to find a way to assess who was who and how that might relate to other opinions they have.

Has anyone said they're trans on this thread? Never mind "ones" suggesting multiple?

They will try to say it never happened, they already do. I am glad that you are here to put that right with facts and evidence. Thank you for being so great at it Arabella!

Is there a ‘none of the above’?

@SpudleyLass
I agree.

What certain crazed personalities fail to notice is often the irony that their violent responses and threats to the basic assertion of women that women exist and can actually very easily be defined as people with ovaries, which entirely excludes anyone born with testes no matter how they feel..... is that their violent responses is what makes it most obvious they're men.

Well said 👏
Especially this bit
What I loathe are these knee jerk generalisations, assumptions about and hatred for people who are just people living their lives and dealing with their own challenges

It's the negative generalisations and assumptions for me too, lumping all of a minority group as "look at what they're doing now*
It's Bigotry hand book.

They are not knee jerk reactions, though.

Women have lost jobs and livelihoods over this farce.

Women and girls have been raped and sexually assaulted in spaces that were supposed to be women only spaces.

Mridhul Wadwha or whatever his name is, was eventually quietly let go from the job at Edinburgh Rape Crisis centre that lawfully, should have gone to an actual woman. He doesn't even have a GRC.

If you want to reference hatred, let's not forget all that has been said about JK Rowling, Maya Forstater etc.

Women's feelings and lives matter, too. When we want single sex spaces, it's not a question of luxury but simple necessity so we can simply participate safely in society.

Is that really too much to ask?

We're all dealing with our own challenges - so why am I asked to redefine myself and accept myself not as a woman but "merely" female, simply because I disagree with sexist stereotypes?

That and they get damn near everything they want.

The media, the establishment, the medical industrial complex etc.

All of this hand wringing is the biggest tell in my book.

What I loathe are these knee jerk generalisations, assumptions about and hatred for people who are just people living their lives and dealing with their own challenges — and honestly not trying to get in the way of anyone else.

That's marvelous. As long as they stay out of women's toilets, sports, prisons, rape crises centres, swimming sessions, and anything else segregrated by sex, we'll have no problem then.

Women are just trying to live their lives too aren’t we ? Why should we be asked to pull over and give up our safe spaces, and share women’s sport with trans women who will always have the edge ? Why can’t men just allow us to be women ? Why does there have to be a prefix ? We know what we are.

If they’re not trans, then they’re handmaidens. Take your pick.

I beg your pardon. 16 and 17 year olds.

For those who can't read the article:

'Fifty-one teenagers aged 16 and 17 who were born as females were sent to hospitals in England to undergo further assessment for “specialist chest reconstruction” over the past six years, The Telegraph reported. In theory, those as young as 17 can undergo the procedure, and children aged 16 have been “referred for assessment for surgery”.'

That's shocking @ArabellaScott

So basically they can wave their male genitalia round in womens’ changing rooms and we just have to accept that because they’re a ‘woman’. Righty ho.