Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Various women’s groups have done calculations over the years using available data but I think it was featured on the Sex Matters and Transgender Trend websites. Both full of useful facts on this topic.

Am I not doing as told? Immune to that scolding I suppose.

"... I am also a ‘disabled women’ and happy to refer to myself as such when relevant to the situation.
I don’t expect women without disabilities to constantly describe themselves as ‘an able bodied women’ or ‘non-disabled women’ it’s just not necessary..."

This ^ is correct.

Just because some individuals identify as something called "transwomen" doesn't mean that women need to identify as "cis women" or "non-transwomen" to distinguish themselves from those inviduals.

The lunatics have taken over...

I can’t see anyone objects. It works for everyone!

No it’s not. It’s like some white women deciding they wanted to identify as black and then making up a new term for black women to use on forms.

It is high handed and completely unnecessary.

It depends what the question is because it does matter. Sex is a biological fact, gender isn't.

If you read the thread from the beginning, you’ll see it was the only option for a woman to use

Please explain how?

When was the last time you or anyone else referred to themselves as a cis woman in RL?!
I know I don't, I just refer to myself as.a woman.
I've never called myself a cis woman as like others say, I'm just a woman
Woman will do, and does quite nicely in everyday life away from the internet.
If you're talking about being trans like in online "discussions" like this one though or a medical setting, it makes sense to differentiate.
Hence the word cis.

That is not the same thing at all. White Woman and Black Woman are subcategories within the category Woman, whereas a biological woman of any characteristic does not need a subcategory, they are just a woman. The word ‘cis’ is irrelevant and seems to have been coined to persuade women to shove up and allow trans identifying males into their category.
‘Trans-woman’ is a subcategory of Man.

Another grotesquely testerical comment.

No, I just feel if you keep throwing the word around it loses all meaning and impact. Asking why a transwoman still has a penis if they say they're a woman is a valid question. Women don't have a penis so it would be fine to question why men are women and women should accept that.

Yes and it’s clearly ridiculous and you must complain. This stranglehold on language has to stop.

And that is exactly the correct analogy in this context

I know a few - that is partly how I formed my current opinions.

It’s funny how so many trans activists assume that people with views like mine have never met these people. Why is that?

Have you?

It’s funny how so many trans activists assume that people with views like mine have never met these people. Why is that?

It's funny how anyone who doesn't automatically toe the "GC" line of thinking is automatically branded a "trans activist."
Why is that?

How many trans people have actually sat and listened to the lived experience of women? And why this is so important to US.

Found it! This one says 85% but it’s quite old so given the vast increase in numbers and lack of capacity in the gender clinics , I’d say 90% is a good estimate.

fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

Oh OK could someone tell me what makes a transwoman a transwoman, please? I do know they are a transwoman because they say so, is it more complex than that?

If you are advocating for the interests of trans people and therefore against the interests of women and refuse to acknowledge women when we object, I’m going to refer to you as trans activists for the sake of brevity.

Feel free to correct me or suggest a different term to use? ‘Anti woman activist’ perhaps?

If a significant % of the population with shared characteristics started calling themselves unicorns, I'm sure data collectors might want to record it.

But they wouldn't be recording it because it was real, or because unicorns existed.

They'd be recording it as an interesting but inexplicable* human phenonemon - just as the ONS set up a specific code to record people who identified their religion as "Jedi". Having a word for something or identifying as something doesn't make it real in any meaningful sense of the word "real".

*Or possibly explicable as a large (or perhaps small) scale delusion...

I think that concurs with the most used Stonewall definition.

I find it exasperating that every opinion is more important than ours. That anyone can use our identities and claim they are just like us, when they have had all the advantages of growing up male.

No you don’t get to try and rebrand us for a tiny minuscule portion of society, that have already benefited disproportionately at the expense of natural women.

First, I think you have to be male.

Then...

I find it exasperating that every opinion is more important than ours. That anyone can use our identities and claim they are just like us, when they have had all the advantages of growing up male.

To me it just demonstrates the sexist society we live in.