Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

They can stick their cis up their arse.

I'm not cisco, I don't 'identify' as that. How dare anyone redefine who I am so I can suit them?

’Being born into the wrong body’ is not a thing though, neither scientifically or now in the view of the trans activist movement. I think Stonewall and Mermaids abandoned that narrative a couple of years ago.

Many people who undergo medical transition have underlying mental health problems. These vulnerable people are sold a dream by the trans activists and unethical surgeons out to make bucks in the unregulated zone of trans surgery (it has been referred to, accurately imo, as the Wild West).

We are seeing more and more brave but devastated people showing up, and telling how their bodies and health have been ruined. These people are so brave because the minute they break ranks and tell the truth about their complications or medical harm, they are excommunicated from their rainbow family and face onslaughts of horrific abuse from the trans activists.

The trans surgery market was worth a few $ million in the 90s, now it is soon projected to be worth $200 billion. Go figure.

I get you don’t like it, but that’s how it is

That's how people use these words.

OK, I'm taking that as the closest I can get to a response to my attempts to understand why the women of Afghanistan no longer deserve their word.

It's not far off what I expected. Probably best summed up, in wonderful '90s teen vernacular, as "tough cheese".

I find it devastating.

Every term is "made up"

It doesn't just mean "not trans". At all.

that is literally all it means.

the only “belief” we need to share is the belief that trans women exist and might tick the women box , because they understand that box to apply to them.

"Born in the wrong body" some posters didn't get the memo. That's not what the genderist gang says now.

There was no option to NOT have the cis @PiggleToes

Exactly 😂

But women aren’t. We can’t choose not to be women with all that comes along with it. So we need the language to reflect who we are and we’re entitled to defend its use.

And I can tick the box for unicorn, and then what? I can do as I like. Identify as I please. Statistics aside, most women wouldn’t even know what cis even is, so incredibly unlikely to ever tick it anyway so the results are flawed anyway.

Ummmm that would be 'trans'. The use of trans indicates whether someone is trans or not.

I see cis in the same way as I see digital and analogue in clocks and watches. A word for analogue clocks was never needed until there were digital ones. In certain circumstances "cis" is a useful shorthand for "I have never identified as any other gender than the one which matches my biological sex" I don't go around saying I am cis in the same way I don't go around announcing my pronouns but I don't see it as a big deal but put "other" or "decline to state" if you prefer to.

Analogue and digital clocks are both clocks though.

Transwomen are men. They are not any type of woman. There literally the opposite of women.

No it doesn't, you can't change the meaning of it to suit yourself! It literally means on this side of, so what side of what am I or anyone else on? It is bollocks!

Correct though. It’s thought that at least 90% retain their penis and many are quite pleased with them.

*they're

That's not what I asked.

Yes because the person who is analysing the survey wants to understand which people are trans and which are not:
if they include a general “women” box, they won’t be able to understand that as both groups will potentially tick it.

Another grotesquely transphobic comment.

I suppose the problem is that "woman" now has two different meanings depending on who you ask:

1. adult human female
2. someone who identifies as a woman in terms of their gender

So now we have the same word with two different meanings.

But ticking woman doesn’t apply to them as they are trans, so therefore are biologically and culturally completely different from your average woman.

that is literally all it means.

It literally doesn't mean that. You are attempting to impose your quasi religious ideology on people who don't share it, like a missionary.

If a "cis woman" is a woman, and I like most people (and you too, I think) know that a woman is biologically female person, then a "trans woman" would also a biologically female person, in this case one who identifies as a man.

How many trans people have you met? Had a conversation with? Listened to their experience?

Errr

The meaning of words changes ALL the time

Language is an evolving concept

But most are a way of describing a material verifiable reality that would exist whether it not we had a word for it or not.

Feelings are not that.

Thought by who?
Do you have a source /link for that please