Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

That’s fine- you are a woman. Only if we just use “woman” we won’t know which women are trans and which women are not, so it will limit the collection of demographic data in important ways 🤷🏼‍♀️

No. She’s a woman. Not a subset of ‘women’ expanded to include ‘men.’

I’m not sure what you think woman means?

No it means we do not subscribe to your gender identity religion.

Which men who claim to be trans are you talking about here because the trans umbrella includes AGP males who get off on wearing women's clothes, cross dressers along with some who have 'gender dysphoria'?

Decent men stay out of women's spaces. Not all men who say they are trans compel women to go along with it, some trans women, Blaire White for example respect women's opinions and need for single sex spaces.

There are good men and bad men. Same goes for those who say they are trans.

The reason I won't use cis is because it suggests there are a variety of ways of being a woman, trans or cis.

No.

Trans women are trans women. Members of the male sex.

Women are women.

So no to cis.

Cis means real.

Regardless of how much I'm scolded, I can't look at a man and believe he's a woman. Just like I can't get scolded into a particular religious belief.
If you want to believe the unprovable, go for it, but stop trying to force your beliefs on others.

Me. I care.

Well they refer to themselves as ‘trans’ so that’s the (linguistic) clue.

You make a good point about accurate data collection though. It certainly became a big issue when we started to include men within women’s data sets.

How about we just refer to natal women who identify such, as women ? Worked for thousands of years, No need for a cis prefix, woman says it all. And no, it doesn’t mean the same thing at all. The word woman is all you need.

So all you people who are being so rude about trans women — what do you feel about trans men?

You see, I think you imagine that trans women bring with them all the privilege they enjoyed as men — except that, as they were supremely uncomfortable in their bodies I doubt that they really did enjoy that privilege very much. And they don’t bring any privilege with them. Indeed, as so many of these threads demonstrate, they get rejected by women too. I don’t think I would go through that unless I was very, very sure I was born into the wrong body.

Well if trans women are honest they know they’re not women so everyone else expected to change language to pander to a few who can’t be truthful with themselves?

51% of the population have to bend over as to appease a handful of men?

Well, they shouldn't should they? It's not that hard. Why should I have to have a label put on me, because a man in a skirt doesn't want to use the term "transwoman" when that is what they are?! (Well, they should actually choose "man" but that's a different opinion and not relevant here). I have to change the way I describe myself because a man doesn't want to use the correct term?

How is that fair? Oh, wait, because I'm a woman, so I have to change MY feelings to accomodate a mans? Give me a break!

Surely that would just upset people on this thread more!

It’s just sometimes useful to collect more detailed demographic data, so you can understand the experiences of different groups (same reason we have ethnic subcategories , as well as umbrella terms etc) Most people on this thread are the first to point out that women (not trans) and trans women have some different life experiences!!

And if you don't believe that transgender women are women? what then? All beliefs are to be respected yet we're not allowed to not believe in a belief system? How does that work then?

This exactly 👏👏👏👏

Well, they shouldn't should they

why? Because you say so?

No, because it’s the reality

Not too many. This is a pretty big one for women.

“Cis” is a horrible term. It’s designed to sound harsh and insulting.

Call me a woman, a natal woman, a woman who’s always been a woman, a woman born a woman, whatever. Don’t call me “cis” as it’s designed to be an insult.

I have no issue with accepting trans women as trans women, but don’t insult me by calling me a horrible word.

You don’t believe trans women exist? Or that it might be important from a data collection perspective to understand which of the people ticking the “woman” box are trans and which are not?

“Cis” is a horrible term. It’s designed to sound harsh and insulting.

this is one of the more bizarre comments ive seen. What on earth causes you to believe that?

I've read my post back twice I can't see where I said transwomen don't exist.

I don't believe transwomen are women. They're men who claim to be transwomen.

Not because I say so, but because the fact is, they are NOT women. They are transwomen. You know the difference. I know the difference. THEY know the difference. So if they are filling in a form fraudulently, then that's on them.

Who’s “reality”, yours?

Like it or not, woman is just a word , like any other word, and you cannot police its boundaries. It’s a word.

How do you know transwomen aren't clicking the cis woman option? I've seen plenty of transwomen argue that they are "biological" or "actual" women, blind self check surveys are bollocks really because you don't know who is lying about who or what they are.