Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

I'm cis.
It doesn't and won't ever stop me being a woman.

Yep.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3030519849o.amp

And that's not even going into the shit show that was the Scottish 2022 census.

Just as trans women have no understanding of a lived female experience

Man, male

*If you don’t ‘believe’ in gender ideology then you can’t really describe yourself as a woman

What nonsense this is. Woman is an established word in our language. Before gender ideology took hold.

It absolutely does NOT mean "a woman who isn’t a trans woman".
Trans woman and woman is enough. The "cis" is unnecessary.

"Woman" means a woman that is not a trans woman!
Cis-woman isn't inclusive of me and many other women, as can be seen on this thread because we are simply women and want to be known as such. If I have to call a person with a penis in a skirt a transwoman, otherwise I'm a horrid transphobe, then other people can show me the same courtesy and let me just be a woman and not force "cis" on me. Kindness MUST go BOTH ways.

Those are not labels, they are biological fact!

What is language?

And on the point of respect I find it disrespectful that some men insist I say they are any kind of woman.

I find it disrespectful that some of those men insist that they go into spaces that are reserved for women, particularly women's rape crisis centres, refuges, hospital wards & sports. Or the men who go into women's toilets dressed as women to act out their fetishes on women who just want to pee.

They have no respect for the wishes and safety of women. So they can fuck right off with they will feel a bit sad if I point out that they are men.

I don't believe men can become women. It doesn't mean that in real life I'm impolite or even go out of my way to be rude. It does mean that I understand basic biology.
I've dealt with men in the past who claimed to be trans and truthfully they clearly had huge mental health issues. And a man with a full beard wearing a dress, shouting abuse at me is just that. An angry man, possibly with mental health issues.

I am not trans but I don’t identify as ‘cis’ whatever that is? Why should you (and this form) put restrictions on how I identify?

Labels like what?

I’m not sure that I’ve seen women with my views use ‘labels’ about these people. We tend to prefer factual terminology that relates to their sex which is important and relevant in many situations.

Csn you provide an example of said label? And how they are directly harmful?

Ok, the survey could just have “women” and “trans women”. Many trans people would select women, which wouldn’t be particularly helpful from a data analysis perspective as you wouldn’t know which of the women who selected woman were trans or not.

I'm not a vet but I know what a dog is.

Don't patronise me by telling me that I have to see a man as a woman because he demands that I do.

You can't compel women to believe in a harmful belief system.

What language do you mean? Language is the words we speak and write, a descriptor, so what are you getting at?

This debate is honestly so ridiculous. It only makes sense from a trans exclusionary perspective.

How about instead of “cis” we just say “woman (not trans)” it would mean exactly the same thing. That ok with you?

Except the word woman wasn't used. At all. The term used was 'anyone with a cervix

The article you linked says the word woman was used, though? So not quite at all like you say?

The word “women” was used once, in the sentence “one in three women still don’t go for the five-minute smear test that can stop cervical cancer before it starts”

Or how about we use the word that’s been accurate since the beginning of time - woman

I don’t think it’s the women wanting to be recognised as just that who are the ridiculous ones here

I'm just a woman. The only type. No qualifier needed.

Do you think there is anything different about the experience of a man and the experience of a trans woman? What, if any, do you think that different is?

Hi Piggle

Could you explain to me what makes a transwoman a transwoman, I honestly can't wrap my head around it.

Sorry to be so thick

I agree. Where did I say otherwise ?

No. It's like there not being an option to say you have no religion.

Does it matter tho? If trans women are women why can’t they tick the women box? Why do you have to divide people?

if it’s helpful for trans people to have a separate category then go for it 🙌🏻 but why do you need to rename women?

MaybeImbad · Today 16:25

Does it matter tho? If trans women are women why can’t they tick the women box? Why do you have to divide people?
if it’s helpful for trans people to have a separate category then go for it 🙌🏻 but why do you need to rename women?