Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

gender role, a culturally and socially determined set of expected behaviors, attitudes, and characteristics based on concepts of masculinity and femininity. A gender role should not be confused with gender identity, which refers to an individual’s internal sense of being masculine, feminine, on a spectrum between the two, a gender unrelated to that binary, or no gender at all.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/gender-role

Gender role was a term coined by a sexologist in the 1950s.

Do trans men take leave of their senses and forget they are female?

Everyone has personal responsibility to care for their own health. The language used to describe women in healthcare doesn't need to be altered to accommodate people who chose to reject the sex they are born into.

Because some transwomen want to be just "women"

It's a Latin prefix, co-opted by a social science researcher in 1994 to make women a subset of their own sex class.

Don't they all??
But why should their desire the claim a word be more important than actual meanings?

Because some transwomen want to be just "women"

I want to have a million pounds and be 21 again. We can't always have what we want.

@namechange

It's inaccurate, basic facts are wrong.

The second definition is incoherent.

Do you not have an idea of your own beyond Google? There's no point in copying and pasting rubbish from Google.

Oh the irony 🙄 "I look like a man but I present as a woman how dare you misgender me" wah wah. Versus, as you say yourself, real issues in the world.

Hilarious. So we are all expected to respect that men who present as women are women and respect their desired pronouns etc but you are happy to totally ignore our wish to be called a woman?

You're calling the Encyclopedia Britannica incoherent and wrong? Is that because it doesn't fit in with your ideological nonsense?

See this thread is what happens when we mangle the language and are told to be kind. If you are a man you can never be a woman, if you are a woman you can never be a man. It doesn't matter how you feel, what bollocks prefix you put on the words woman and man.
You want to identify as something else you crack on, just don't infringe on the rights of others or tell me or anyone else that sex doesn't matter.

But actually, these days, you dont just have white or black. You have british white, american white, black african, black caribbean. And for me, I always have to go with "other white" because the specific place I am from isnt listed.

I find this is the same thing. Why get so bent out of shape about the cis thing? Just get over yourself. No one is denying you are a woman.

No idea that's where I need to read up more

No, because that implies that everyone is happy to buy into the gender ideology and indulge in that belief, which many people are not.

Yes they did. The OP said so.

I was angry enough with my letter for a smear saying “for women and people with womb

The language used to describe women in healthcare doesn't need to be altered to accommodate people who chose to reject the sex they are born into.

Right there (the post I was referring to) - women - it literally says women.
Nothing has been changed. I haven't magically been erased.
I'm catered for, why can't trans men be recognised too?
I'm sure they still know they have a womb and haven't "somehow forgot" !

None of those impact on your everyday life.

Accepting Cis is, as someone wrote upthread, accepting that some men are women and the removal of single sex spaces, rape crisis support and sport.

No thank you.

I do not believe that trans women are women, that is because they are men.

Just get over yourself. No one is denying you are a woman.

Is that what you tell trans people when they whinge about "misgendering"?

Also, it's not about whether anyone denies I am woman, I don't care. I am a woman because I'm female. It's about rejecting the belief system which says that woman doesn't mean female.

Cis does impact on people's lives though. For a movement so keen on empowering self identification it doesn't like being told to respect people's identities.

trans men ARE women, it is the only way you can be a trans men.

If they choose not to attend smears then they opt to potentially face future serious medical consequences.

We shouldn't have to pander to people's beliefs, there is no other situation where we do this. We do not have to go along with the anorexics belief they are fat. We do not go along with any form of racial appropriation because it is seen to be racist and akin to blackface. People who believe in gender are no different. They are appropriating something they are not.

We do not have to pander to their delusions.

It does affect my life, because it's someone else's ideology. I am not going to be defined in the terms of gender identity ideology any more than Scientology.

You're implying there are subsets of women, there arent, there are women, biological women

You're implying that gender is by default something everyone has and everyone believes it, its not a universal concept or belief, dont foist that on me without my consent

You also misgendger me by forcing me to use a descriptor for myself that doesnt apply.

I was responding to a reply to ASGIRC which has been removed presumably becuase it is against talk guidleines but here's the response:

I'm not transphobic I don't fear or hate trans people. I just don't believe that men are women because they say so because that is nonsense and harms women as a sex class.

Cis doesn't exist, it's a made up word to 'other' women who do not believe in your gender beliefs.

And by the way being gender critical is a protected belief, so I'd watch what you are posting because calling women cis is against the talk guidelines.

@ASGIRC It is not transphobic to believe that people cannot change sex! As for cis not impacting peoples lives this thread is telling you it is, you don't get to decide what impacts other people.