Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

No, it's more like being asked about your religion, with the only option for if you don't believe in a Christian God (for example) being 'heathen'.
If the label does not fit within your belief system (or lack thereof), and you are not comfortable with it, you should not be forced to identify with it.

'Cis' means that your gender matches your biological sex.
If you do not believe in gender you should not be forced to accept 'cis' as a label.

I don't mind saying 'none' if the gender question is additional to a relevant question about sex, but it becomes difficult when sex and gender are conflated. Forcing women to identify as either 'trans' or 'cis' means there is no option for people who are female but do not have a 'gender identity', because this is not something they personally believe in.

What are you waffling on about. I gave you the dictionary definitions of sex and gender.

Why can't we just be 'Woman' or 'Transwoman'?

you are mis-gendering people and that is literal violence.

https://www.britannica.com/summary/sex#:~:text=In%20both%20plants%20and%20animals,%2C%20hormonal%2C%20and%20chromosomal%20differences.

sex, Sum of features by which a member of a plant or animal species can be placed into one of two complementary reproductive groups, male or female. In both plants and animals, sex is determined by the reproductive cells (gametes) produced by the organism. The male produces sperm cells, and the female produces egg cells. Males and females may or may not have apparent structural differences, but they always have functional, hormonal, and chromosomal differences. Patterns of behaviour, sometimes elaborate, may also distinguish the sexes in some species. See also reproductive behaviour.

Better?

I think OP was just joking and having a laugh.

There's no coherent definition of gender or sex as different things.

How come pregnant women don't have "sex reveal" parties? Plenty have gender reveal parties.

So this imagination that gender only has this homogenous meaning whatever pseudo nonsense someone has come out with and forced onto society through threats of cancellation is simply imaginary.

No gender reveal party for a foetus has ever asked the foetus if it feels like a woman. Gender doesn't have the meaning you think.

That doesn’t make any sense. Your race is not relative to anyone else’s, it is an objective fact. Same for sex. The fact that someone else wants to create a new name for a category of male doesn’t change the fact that we are women.

‘Cis’ is offensive to many including me so please be respectful of that.

Don't come in here being all sensible

Why? Trans men need smears too, on account of being born female and therefore more than likely to have a womb.
The letter includes me and you (women, not trans) and makes trans men feel comfortable too.
Why potentially alienate then and make them not want a smear/to think they won't be treated with compassion and care too?

A significant number of women find the term ‘cis’ to be offensive. I am among them.

it implies that there are two types of women, which we know is nonsense as it is impossible to change sex.
it’s just an attempt to manipulate language in order to support a particular ideology.

They really don't

And they remain female. No one changes sex. If people understood that there would be fewer issues.

I don’t think there are. Erasing women is a pretty big hill.

While I identify as someone incredibly rich I'm unfortunately really being discriminated against at the Mazzerati shop when they won't give me the car that I identify as having paid for.

Nobody is forcing them to hand me the keys just because I identify as having purchased the car.

I would refuse to complete the survey.

100%
I don’t identify as CIS, always been a female woman and not gonna change now.

The compelled language aspect of it is troublesome as well. Women saying 'no, I'm not being arbitrarily redefined against my will' is met with quite astounding footstamping.

No, I will not call myself 'cis'. It is an ideological nonsense. Footstamp as much as you like.

Except that woman isn’t an ‘identity’ it’s just a fact. This is where we get when people start denying reality and claiming that facts are less important than feelings.

We were told it’s so they can study social mobility based on what ‘grade/level’ our role is in the company compared to whatever ‘grade/level’ suppose they assign to our parents based on the information we gave them. The data collected on us is a concern to me.

I can't make sense of this, what do you even mean?

Bringing race into this argument is so typical. You can't conflate the two separate issues!

Also if you're gonna compare somehow to race, there are already perfectly good options there for everyone- male, female, transgender. No need to add ridiculous prefix to a perfectly ordinary term/ meaning. So it doesn't compare to any kind of race thing surely

@namechange

Don't be thick. Your definition is incoherent and inaccurate nonsense.

Which dictionary is it from?

The concept of gender being separate from sex was invented in a way that allows men to remove rights from women.

That's its purpose.

First definition is from the front page of Googlez arguably not a reliable source, but the Second definition is from the Encyclopedia Britannica.

What does "cis" mean? Never heard it before.