Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

Why would they want to know that?

This interfering and prying has to stop. It is beginning to sound more and more like some ridiculous fiction novel set in some future world where no one a generation ago would believe this would ever become reality

Are you a stamp collector?

If not, do you have a prefix in front of your name or other part of your characteristics to highlight you are not a stamp collector?

No?

Why not?

Woman is woman, it means adult human female. There is no prefix needed to woman.

And given that a male person has been called a cis woman, then there is no word that describes a collection of people who used to be known as women.

I don't think that's acceptable.

Men are not women, they shouldn't have the right to steal our words and spaces and impose regressive stereotypical beliefs on women.

IMO there are women and there are trans women. Both equal, both valid but not the same. We don't need a third category.

No, everyone doesn't know what a 'cis woman' is!

Yes! This.

I don't fit the gender stereotype of a woman for various reasons, but I am still a woman - always have been, and always will be.

Gender identity theory seems to be based necessarily on gender stereotypes, which I don't buy into. What else could it possibly be based on if not gender stereotypes? It's not based on biology.

@Namechangefordaughterevasion

Sex - either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

Over 99% of living things on Earth reproduce via asexual reproduction.

Ok so I'm not really confident in your answers.

Because we are non men.

We are not as important as men who say they are trans.

That's why we should turn at blind eye to them stealing our words and spaces.

Non men must be compliant, non men who are not compliant are bigots.

louise9422 · Today 14:00
Everyone knows what ‘cis’ means. It means ‘born as’ - just tick that and get on with your day. So sick of people making a fuss when there is no fuss to be made about things like this. Be thankful that you were born the sex that you identify with.
So much unnecessary hate and nonsense around all this. Worry about actual issues going on in the world.
and yes, I am a woman, ‘cis’ woman, female, girl, senorita, Mrs, Ms, Miss, whatever - who cares?

Another post that leaves me concerned about a lack of consideration for other nationalities, ethnicities and cultures.

"Everyone" is a huge generalisation.

Are you including English speakers from across the world there? You seem to be, as you refer to "actual issues going on around the world". Issues like Afghanistan? I confess, I didn't know cis- was standard there.

Male and female are the only options for a sex category,

None, trans or cis or other random stuff like non-binary is fine for a gender identity category.

They should stop trying to categorise two different things with one question.

My young adult children applying for jobs … all employers are asking gender and orientation. The kids are outraged that who they “feel like” & who want sex with is important to employers..

being pushed by the rabid misogynist trans mob

You.make your stance and agenda quite clear right there.
People who are trans are just that, people.
Not lumped together as a "rabid mob'
Dehumanising, hyperbolic language isn't acceptable for other minorities, so why do you think it is here?

They came from google

Stupid

No one needs a word for people who don't collect stamps.

No one needs the word Cis.

Translation: I don’t care about this so you shouldn’t either.

Hey @TofuTart. Posts that appear to use such language are easy pickings to argue against. Fancy giving mine a go?

What should we call that group in Afghanistan?

AmeliaEarache · Today 15:17

Like Cisalpine Gaul!

Yes, I'm reasonably certain that after Caesar had crossed the Alps, he wasn't met by a horde of Sequani, dressed in lovely frocks, chanting, Do you think we look like ladies?"

I feel this too, why do employers need to know??

No this drives me mad. I refuse to have my identity changed to serve any agenda. I'm a woman.

If you identify as trans that's up to you but I am not and I have never been cis.

Did they have cis man as an option too or just for women?

I'm neither thanks. I thought putting a label on people that they don't identify with wasn't the "kind" thing to do?

As women we are being trolled by a small section of society whose poison has seeped out and taken hold and id be bl**dy fuming if that was me
I was angry enough with my letter for a smear saying “for women and people with womb “
honestly … it’s disrespectful and disgraceful to biological born women. A scientific fact we are women

If you go by the stonewall definition "Cis" means not trans.

It the TRAs way of making trans the primary status of being.

@namechange

They came from Google - aka you have no idea.

There is no difference.

Your googling has failed to educate you on basic scientific fact but don't let that stop you from answering questions on forums by typing the words into googling and copying and pasting the first answer you see.

This is why the whole debate is stupid. There's zero point arguing with people too lazy or stupid or to think about how ridiculously misogynist their casual anti-female stance is and then claim as a defence of their argument something they looked up for 2 seconds.

Gender means sex up until about the year 2000.

The new definition is nonsense and allowing for them to be different results in there being no clear definition of either.
However the original poster that I actually asked the question of has still failed to answer.

What a surprise.