Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

Lord above, llizzie.

The thing is, I agree with you that the government have got it wrong on the WFA. But your hyperbole, constant posting of incorrect information and personal attacks are doing you no favours at all.

Landlords are legally obligated to have tenants’ boilers serviced every year and possess a certificate as evidence.

But what about the elderly who rent or own them, and cannot even know that they are slowly dying, because they cannot contact the landlord or cannot afford to service their boiler.

Why can't they contact their landlords? Are they all mute?
And FYI there are plenty of people on low pay, and disabled people subsisting on benefits, who are in exactly the same boat. You don't care about them.

Pensioners in rented accommodation have to pay their energy bills. You are so pent up with anger in believing that all pensioners are well off and own their homes and resent them, that you forget those who do not.

Everyone has to pay their energy bills ecept students in halls. Many of those with bills to pay also have little money - and aren't getting an 8.5% rise in their income. Why do you only care about people over 65 years old?

I'm not angry at all, I'm just pointing out that you have a narrow focus on only one group of people. Other people exist and are also struggling, and I would really like to know why they do not seem to matter to you.

The thread is about the PM and Chancellor, and whether on what they have done so far they should be replaced.

What they have done so far has affected pensioners, the most vulnerable. They now feel that the government, who promised to look after them, are not. If a labour government can come into power and take from the poor to give to the rich, shows a lacking in understanding.

If the pensioners eat less in favour of warmth, they are still at risk if they cannot afford to service the boilers. They will not only be a burden on the NHS, the Social Services will have to look after them. There is an Act of Parliament called A Duty of Care passed in - I think - 2014, and the Health and Care Act which were granted the Royal Assent in 2022.

I put it to the thread that Starmer and Reeves have not considered their Duty of Care in what they have achieved so far.

That is very relevant to the thread. Your little group of callousness spent the last few days keeping off the topic, why start thinking about the thread now?

I put it to the thread

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Your little group of callousness

Stop with personal attacks! No one is being callous.

If pensioners cannot afford to service their boilers, and the boilers don't work properly, or the flue gets blocked, then carbon monoxide poisoning is a risk, and once that happens, it makes people ill.

It causes confusion. If the boiler automatically cuts off, then that is OK. If it does not, the householder eventually cannot do anything about it. They die of carbon monoxide poisoning. If it is a very slow leak, they will just appear to be confused and that put down to dementia, or other health problems, They lose the ability to call for help, because by then they don't know they need it.

If they live, the Social Services have to take them into residential care at a cost to the council tax payer.

Well, while they are having a go at us, they are leaving some other poor s.. alone.

You do know, @llizzie that people of pension age cannot have their fuel supplies cut off in winter, even if they can't pay their bills?

Perhaps you should make sure all your friends know this. No pensioner needs to freeze to death.

Then if so, why do I feel as though you would like me to disappear?

You seem to be the angry one.
So a single parent and her children have been made ill. It’s awful. It’s not the first. It’s irrelevant to this discussion.

Why do you only care if this happens to pensioners? Why does it not matter to you if it happens to younger people?

It's called a chimney in the UK, not a flue.

True. I have lived in this house since God knows when. The boiler has always been serviced each year. I have still had the boiler go wrong, and have suffered from slow leaks of carbon monoxide (which is not always picked up on the alarm) several times.

The housing association who rented this mother the home refused to act until the BBC had a go at them.

That's terrible, and not the current government's fault.

There's a lot more going on in the new government than just this one policy, which I agree needs a rethink and an adjustment.

It is highly relevant because the thread invites reasons as to whether the PM and Chancellor double act should be replaced.

They have taken away a vital resource from the most vulnerable, and hypothermia through not being able to turn the boiler on, and carbon monoxide poisoning if they do turn it on are the results of not having enough money from their £221 a week pension to avoid them.

What do you consider the thread is about then? You had enough to say about religion yesterday. What made you change?

I agree with you @llizzie that bad landlords need to face severe consequences.

The Tories did very little to protect tenants. Hopefully Labour will tighten things up. (And yes, I know about Jas Athwal, the Labour MP whose rentals were poorly maintained. He should have been kicked out of the party.)

Because younger people can work and earn a bit more than £221 a week, unless they are disabled, in which case their plight is as serious as the pensioners.

Younger people can also move about. They can wear extra clothes, without being weighted down. They are less likely to fall, less likely to become too confused to be aware of their surroundings. Younger people are also less likely to be tired, or confused.

They also don't have to pay for home and garden helps.

Fair ;

Change what?
I don’t think we need to change PM or Chancellor.
I think the cut off for WFA needs review, but the vast majority losing it aren’t vulnerable.
I think your digression into the sad news about the single mother is irrelevant.
I’m bored with your hyperbole and hatred of people who disagree with you.

Of course it is the government's fault. If you cannot see that, then I feel sorry for you.

Even taking out the element of the WFP, the government has made pensioners feel as though they have no worth, that they are better off dying and reducing the population.

A government that can make people feel they are better off dead should not be allowed to continue in government, because the first responsibility of a government is the safety and welfare of it's citizens. They have a duty of Care, which they are denying the pensioners.

Even taking out the element of the WFP, the government has made pensioners feel as though they have no worth, that they are better off dying and reducing the population.

I’m a pensioner and the new government has put a spring in my step. For the first time in 14 years my vote has meant something.

Change what you consider is relevant to the thread.

I don’t claim anything. Why would you think I do?

Younger people can also move about.
So can many pensioners. They are not all unable to move.

They can wear extra clothes, without being weighted down.
So can many pensioners.

They are less likely to fall, less likely to become too confused to be aware of their surroundings.
If they are that vulnerable, they should ask contact Social Services for an assessment of their needs.

Younger people are also less likely to be tired, or confused.
Unless of course they are dealing with serious mental ill health, or are working multiple low paid zero hours jobs to make ends meet.

You're judging a government on one policy, which pretty much everyone on this thread agrees needs work. You're totally ignoring all the other things they have done so far. I wonder why?