Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

It's obvious. I don't have to try even

Good finding out.

Who is wrapped up in who?
Seriously, you are ceasing to make any sense (not that your posts made much anyway in fairness).

You're now suggesting that others aren't genuine posters.

She didn’t, did she? We both know it. You just don’t want to admit your lie. I5 doesn’t reflect well on you.

The flat rate State Pension only came in in 2016, anyone born before around 1952/53ish will be getting the old style state pension.

This means many existing pensioners will be getting more than the flat rate and those who get less will be getting Pension Credit and the WFA.

Again, I agree that the WFA cut off is too low, but you don't seem to have a firm grasp of all the facts when it comes to benefits and pensions.

She oozes resentment as soon as she got the job. Couldn't wait to put them in their place.

I am so grateful to the surgeon who gave me back my hands.

Do you live in the UK @llizzie?

You said she said it. She didn’t. That she ‘oozes resentment’ is your very skewed opinion. When did she say it?

so?

She said pensioners don't need it, and if they do they can apply for pension credit.

Did you not see the consultation on PIP, which was aimed at cutting payments for disabled people?

Did you not notice how working age people on disability and other benefits did not get the triple lock, while pensioners did, which massively eroded the value of their money at a time of double digit inflation?

Did you not see in the news how the move from DLA to PIP left tens of thousands of people at the mercy of the appeals process, because the assessments were tailored to deny claims? Did you not read about the extremely high success rate of appeals, suggesting the assessment process was deeply flawed?

Did you not hear about people with serious health conditions and disabilities literally dying because they had been sanctioned and had no money to buy food or refigerate essential medication?

But no. Pensioners are the only people who matter, and the Tories did nothing wrong, and it's all Labour's fault. Take those blinkers off and do a bit of reading.

What was the legitimate explanation for going to see Taylor Swift three times? Superfan? Carol Vorderman suggested last week that Keir Starmer might be sitting on his glasses - which is why he needed more than one or two pairs?

You said:

Nor do most pensioners. They paid their National Insurance all their working life, get the new pension of £221 a week, £3 too much to receive other benefits

Which is not the case. Many pensioners receive more than than £221 either via the state and additional state pension or via occupational or private pensions and state pension.

In FYE 2023, the average income for pensioner couples was £561 per week. This was more than twice that of single pensioners, who had an average income of £267 per week.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/pensioners-incomes-financial-years-ending-1995-to-2023/pensioners-incomes-financial-years-ending-1995-to-2023#:~:text=In%20FYE%202023%2C%20the%20average,of%20%C2%A3267%20per%20week.

Eta: to be clear, I am not denying that some pensioners will suffer. But your assertion that vast numbers of pensioners are too poor to put their boilers on is just not the case

This is what you wrote. It was a lie, wasn't it?

You won’t see it here but there’s plenty on Labour and pensioners, obviously cutting the WFA will impact the lower earners

Aye Starmer’s backing of the Palestinian genocide makes him unfit for the job imo. Zarah Sultana for prime minister!

Take al look back on the last few pages of this thread. They are all from me and a group of people who are opposing everything I write for the sake of it.

You all should take a good look at yourselves and what you are doing.

We are not opposing you for the sake of it. We are challenging you because you do not understand UK pensions, misrepresent facts and show no care whatsoever for anyone who isn't a pensioner.

I’m not opposing you for the sake of it. I’m disagreeing with you because I think you are wrong. And have lied.

I think it will. It has now, because pensioners are stressing about what to budget for. That is the real problem. To give vulnerable people such a shock is really unfair. They had no idea. It is an unnecessary burden for the very people who should not be burdened at the end of their lives.

What makes it worse is that the government will not save money. Why did they attack the pensioners first? What sort of mentality does Ms Reeves have, that she can say pensioners don't need it, and if they think they do, they can apply for pension credit. They can't, can they? I mean they can, but they won't get it this year. The 30 page long application book has to be filled in, with help and proof of finances, their whole lives written down.

Some don't even know how to go about applying for the claim forms, and there just aren't enough volunteers to help them. Then they have to send it back, making a copy in case it gets lost in the post, then it gets sent to the DWP along with another pile to await a clerk to check it. Then finally it goes to whatever one of the three wise monkey' s job it is to agree and then they get a letter - telling them they can have it next winter.

My late husband was a retired vicar. He would be horrified if he was alive now.

Plenty of what on Labour and pensioners?

So that makes it OK, does it?

If I could read what you post, I would probably have an answer for it. If you copy and paste, do ensure that it fits on the thread.

Yes it’s why Age UK have made a statement on it for 2.5m pensioners