Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

Thanks, Tory Central Office. We know the party talking points for the week now.

After three months and before there’s even been a budget? Are you always so impatient?

Hi OP. Which two current Labour MPs would you choose to 'swap out' with the PM and Chancellor?

No thank you. Id like some stability and not changing leader every 5 minutes like we did under the Tories.

I don't mind Starmer and I'll withhold judgement on rachel Reeves until after the budget. I also like wes streeting. I cannot bear Bridget Phillipson, be happy for her to go asap

After 3 months you want to change the leadership who have to work to undo 14 years of Tory damage?

I'd give them more than 6 months - it's running a country not taking a dog for a walk

I still can't see they are worse than the things we have had for the last few decades

No thanks. The country needs the consistency and stability that it's been lacking for the last few years under the Tories.

Plus, there's barely been any time to do anything yet! We haven't had a budget and in the three months since the election, we had the summer shutdown and conference season

So far the economy has remained stable, no one has been flung into poverty (no £250 fuel allowance won’t be the one thing to throw someone into poverty, Tories lack of sorting fuel crisis is the bigger culprit), so no, no need to hoist these guys out so soon. They need a couple of years to be tried & tested.

Changing the leadership so soon will just increase economic instability.

They have a mandate to be given a chance but they've not been great so far.

It's not normal, or good to change PM every two minutes. The Tories did, because they were desperate to find someone who wouldn't be a disaster in an approaching General Election. Labour have just won a General Election.

No. Our system of government is supposed to involve the whole political party. They are PM and Chancellor, not President and VP. If our system worked correctly the individual occupants of the positions should be largely irrelevant, other than for their specific constituents. (But this does highlight the flaws within that system.)

Who do you have in mind?

However, isn't it quite obvious that neither of these roles have any real power? It astonishes me that anyone continues to labour under the delusion that any form of democracy actually exists anymore

Or even Union Central?

They didn’t get my vote as I thought it would be like this anyway but no just let them deal with their backlash . I can’t see anyone that could replace them would be any better, possibly worse.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labours-tax-ideology-has-collided-with-reality-and-its-not-pretty-3302033

I couldn’t agree with you more OP as I find their policies so far callous, cruel and without regard for the consequences. They’re complete hypocrites with their snouts in the trough.

I'm not a labour voter but give them a chance they have only been in power a couple of months.

They have made a few mistakes, but they are doing good stuff too. Very pleased they are addressing worker's rights. More of that sort of thing, please!

These are so tedious.

As not agreeing with labour automatically makes someone a Tory.

we had a low voter turnout because a significant number of the population didn’t vote for either of them.

We’ll see what the budget brings but labour are going to have to commit to implementing something tangible if they don’t want to be voted out in the next election.

Because a lot of their votes didn’t come from labour voters, they came from people who wanted the tories out. So if labour don’t do something then those voters will go back to voting Tory or worse, reform.

Callous and cruel ?

You do know we have removed the tories from power don't you ?

I am 100% not Tory HQ. I voted Labour. I’m someone who wants this to work. They have a massive majority but are fumbling.

They are only lucky the Tories aren’t learning and are making themselves appear even more crazy and irrelevant. However, once the Tory’s get their act together, return to the centre and focus on governing for the benefit of the country as opposed to just being a pressure group screaming about boats, Labour are toast based on current performance.

I believe this is because the top two and their advisors were hyper focused on getting into power and less focused on the job of governing. They think just not being the Tories is good enough. It isn’t.

Stop worrying and the right wing press and amplified bullshit on X and LBC phone-ins. Focus on actual workable policies not attention grabbers or throwing red meat to various sections of the populace. Show us a strong vision and explain how we’re going to get there.

I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves are the two who can do that based on what I’ve seen so far.

No, they’re not perfect but so much better than the Tories.