Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

I am worried because if they start to lose hearts and minds then I think Reform will massively increase their voter base.

Weren't they supposed to sit until next general election? Or?

There is a long way to go until the next GE. Fromage and Co. have plenty of time to show their true colours.

They've made a good start and have barely had a chance to actually achieve anything due to the summer recess and now the conference recess or whatever you call it. They've hardly been in parliament. Then there has been the determined campaign to bring them down from the rw press with all the nonsense about 'freebies'.

Nonetheless they've ended some pay disputes, dealt with the riots at home really well and have started to mend our relationship with the EU, among other things.

I can't think of anything worse for the Labour Party or for the country than for Labour to carry on like the chaotic tories by starting to burn through leaders at a rate of knots.

@Whenwillitgetwarm

Oh FFS it's been five minutes. Get a grip!

What would you like to swap them for? I think there are websites for that.

They’ve made two spectacular mistakes already, VAT on private school fees and taking away the WFA. To mess up so early on is unprecedented!

Not only have they alienated many of the population, including the unions but their sums are wildly out.

All that majority and they’ve completely fucked up.

After 14 years Labour had messagings saying “time for a change” and that made sense after a long, frankly shot, Tory government.

it now seems the Conservatives have no ideas at all and are simply replicating the message “time for a change” except this time it’s batshit.

yes I agree - how do we make this happen?

@midgetastic Yes, it is callous and cruel to take away the WFA whilst aware it could lead to the deaths of 5,000 people this winter. Politicians won’t have to worry about heating, utilities, CoL this winter but many will unnecessarily.
Reeves has received 10BM from the banking system to fill “the hole” but she is unwavering.
It’s a pity you can’t see how quickly and how much I’ve been thanked for my original post.

There have been less than a full month of parliamentary days and you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Blimey, are you used to instant gratification in every other part of your life?

Not all policies are going to be like by everyone, but I can really get behind a lot of the things they have done already. WFA as a universal benefit made no sense. You can argue all day long about where the cut off should be, but where ever it is those who just miss out feel robbed. People like my parents sitting in a £500k house, with two state pensions and a private one don't need it, but still feel robbed of it. Some who just get state pension will be hard done by, but that is how cut offs work. I never got any free childcare when my kids were in nursery, because it started after they began school. Those are the way things happen.

This government have to undo years of Tory policies, you can't expect that to happen in less than 100 days.

They have already made great inroads with the EU. Their approach to immigration makes so much more sense than Rwanda.

Keir is an idiot for accepting freebies, yes, but 14 years of Tories did a lot worse.

No one comes into a new job and gets everything right, it's a new job, they've never done it before. They need a chance.

You could screen shoot it. ☺️

Look, I'm really annoyed about the freebies, and they should have planned the announcement of winter fuel payments cut better. I'm not even happy about their insistence on sticking to (artificial) fiscal rules.

But we haven't even had the budget yet, your characterisation of Reeves and Starmer is childish and hysterical, and your 'solution' is wildly implausible.

It's. Been. Three. Months.

We haven't even had a budget yet!

The Labour Party have got 14 years of Tory mess to unpick and let's face it it's a big mess considering how criminally incompetent the last lot were. Be realistic! It's going to take years to feel any kind of real change. We all knew it was going to get worse before it got any better.

This.

I think that for any leader, giving them three months (and not waiting for their first budget) and then saying "well this isn't working!!" is absurd.

Three months and look how much they’ve fucked up already. 😱

However, once the Tory’s get their act together, return to the centre and focus on governing for the benefit of the country as opposed to just being a pressure group screaming about boats, Labour are toast based on current performance

Do you have an idea when the Torys might have this damascene revelation - let alone effectively action it?

Doesn't even seem on the horizon yet

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@BIossomtoes I might well do that.

But which new chancellor and PM in Labour would do better not worse?

I can’t think of anyone that wouldn’t make it worse.

This. I'm fed up of no time to bed in a new PM and chancellor before swapping out again. The Tories were always so afraid of losing elections they got increasingly desperate towards the end.

The last time we had a borderline decent government it was Cameron and Osborne and we know was a mess of the country those two odious chancers managed. But they were doing some decent things with the living wage even uf they hollowed out the public sector with austerity and gifted us the ever steaming turd of Brexit.

Since then we've had governments on the hop. All the decent tories had left by the time Johnson got in the he got rid of second and third rate until left with the most unprincipled dross.

Sunak was last man standing. He didn't have a chance to do anything good.

Now we have a chance at a halfway decent government and a reset after a decade of chaos.

Starmer and Reeves haven't had 14 years to decide on a plan and they have been left an utter mess to clean up. I remain optimistic they will do much good.

No thanks. The Tories tried PM hopping and it didn't go very well did it?

No you all made that bed you lie in it.

Its all been highly amusing so far.

My hubby is a pensioner. We live in a mortgage free 5 bedroom home he has the state pension and a private pension. He still works very PT. I work FT. We do NOT need the winter fuel allowance!

Go on then.