Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

I think you should be very careful suggesting MPs are taking bribes.

Remember they are swimming against the stream of Tory press.

From the start they were surprised they won. They were like kids let loose in a sweet shop, told they can have whatever they wanted and didn't know where to start first.

They chose revenge.

They are hypocrites. If they are allowed to lay wreaths at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day after denying the oldest pensioners who survived WW2 it will be a travesty of justice. The government says £218 a week is enough to live on. Anything less than that they top up with pension credit. Is it right that men and women who fought and survived, or were civilians, who lost homes in the bombings, parents in the fighting, suffered privations like rationing, and then along comes a labour government who takes away the winter fuel payment because their pensions are more than £218 a week.

Not only pensioners, either. Disabled people do not get help with the fuel bills either, and they cannot move fast.

We won't have to worry about carers, will we? The elderly and disabled are unlikely to survive a winter without suffering hypothermia. Now, with the Assisted Dying Bill to be debated, will it be using two stones to kill a bird?

From the start they were surprised they won.

Nonsense. It was obvious they were going to win for months before an election was even called.

If they are allowed to lay wreaths at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day after denying the oldest pensioners who survived WW2 it will be a travesty of justice

Why? The vast majority of those who survived WW2 never fought. Even if you were born in 1945, you would now be 79. Why should, for the sake of argument, a very wealthy 79 year old automatically get WFA just for being born before the end of WW2?

FFS. I hardly know where to start.

From the start they were surprised they won

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The elderly and disabled are unlikely to survive a winter without suffering hypothermia

Oh the hyperbole! I think the WFA should have a higher threshold, but this is so over dramatic.

Disabled people under r pension age have never been entitled to the WFA. They do get a cold weather payment if on certain benefits. Same as under the Tories, no change there. Were you making a fuss about disabled people suffering hypothermia for the last 14 winters?🤔

Now, with the Assisted Dying Bill to be debated, will it be using two stones to kill a bird?

The assisted dying bill is not a government bill. It is a private member's bill by Kim Leadbeater MP. There is also a private member's bill on assted dying going through the House of Lords.

Edited as I didn't realise there were two separate PMBs on assissted dying.

The youngest person who fought in WW2 is now 98! It’ll be 80 years next year since it ended. Maths clearly isn’t your strong point @llizzie.

And the last government were soooooo kind to the disabled.

The hypocritical lying toads fooled us all. There is no alternative so we are stuck for 4 years and 9 months. Farage will have a landslide and that’s awful too.

Fooled who about what?

Farage landslide is not going to happen. Very few people who didn't vote for them in July 2024 are going to vote for them in 2029. The UKIP/Brexit/Party/Reform vote has stayed fairly consistent for years.

I hear you’re a pensioner, @BIossomtoes

Thank you for your service to the country during WWII.

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You’re welcome - my parents didn’t even meet until 1949! 😂

Taking backhanders by the bucket load, roasting the Tories on that. Telling Sunak off re heating bills, then taking it from the elderly?? Farage did pretty well and no one likes telling anyone they secretly quite like him. This happened in Holland, Germany, Austria and Poland. Many voters voted far right and no one predicted it! Mark my words.

I'm not sure they can be described as 'backhanders' if they are also on a public register.

Good to see you acknowledge that Farage is far right though.

Vast majority of men 98 yrs plus live in care homes and should thankfully be warm enough this winter - where the remaining 500 [approx] live isn't clear some will live with their spouses/families and others alone - hopefully the British Legion and other charities will be looking out for/helping the small number of WW2 veterans affected by WFA

Obviously a much larger number of WW2 era population are women who may be more vulnerable and not so much a focus of specific charities, national celebrations - or be in care homes

This happened in Holland, Germany, Austria and Poland. Many voters voted far right and no one predicted it!

But it didn't happen here, did it? The vast majority of voters did not vote for a far right party.

Reform increase their vote to 18% from a previous 14% in their UKIP days - nothing like what happened in Europe

I don't think that is right. Reform's share of the vote was 14.3%?

Of course it didn’t as we all (including me) believed their promises, let’s call tem lies. All they have come up with is slogans that mean nothing. I’ve not see any ideas, oh wait….there is talk about student fees going up!! Poor parents having to stump up even more. I have seen absolutely nothing that gives me any confidence they are competent. And voters will vote with their feet at the next election. I am no Farage fan but the Tories and Lib Dem’s are no opposition.

I’ve not see any ideas

None so blind as those who will not see ...

Also Holland have more or less defanged the PVV by setting terms for allowing them into the coalition, so their extreme manifesto commitments will not be policy. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Agree
You're being completely ridiculous to take this stance after just 3 months. We don't want those political rollercoasters anymore.

If there are only 500 men 98+ living at home it makes me wonder if age could be a better criteria for WFA.

Perhaps everyone over 90 who is still at home should get it, to support the WW2 generation.

Maybe there will be more details in the budget.

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