Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

Well no. Thats why his approval rating was high at one point and now it’s not. They didn’t think it, they thought highly of him and then didn’t.

This is a moment in time and a long way off of the next election.
Press on with saying this all you will - it's irrelevant.

I was countering your claim which was they
were always seeking those messages 🤷‍♀️

Clearly not. That’s why you get big shifts.

As for GE far off I’ve already said that to pp asking about voting intention. No focus on that as five years away.

I don’t think Labour can ‘wheel out’ Campbell. I don’t think he’s even a member anymore, having been expelled for saying he’d vote Lib Dem in 2019. I think he said that in his podcast with Rory Stewart, from memory, though he may have said it elsewhere. It’s his own opinion - I agree that there needs to be one - but he hasn’t been ‘wheeled out’ by anyone.

I agree that growth is the real test. Which is why all the complainers need to learn patience and grow up a little.

I disagree that focusing on voting intention means thinking all is well. It literally just means that if there were a GE tomorrow, the result wouldn't be much difference. So perhaps most people are prepared to give Labour a chance, and it's the media who are out of step?

Labour took full advantage of the press when trying to get in, they can’t complain now

And if people want to say how they feel about Labour so be it. It’s only really these pro Labour mn threads where it must not be done

How is a thread saying the PM should go a pro Labour thread?

You mention "these pro Labour threads" a lot - do you mean any politics thread or specific ones?

You keep saying this, but I find it utterly disingenuous of you. You cannot say that the likes of the Mail, the Telegraph and the Express EVER came out for Labour and keep a straight face, and in terms of market dominance, they lead the UK press.

I find it a bit lame of Labour tbh. They make mistakes and go on about the press. All this has been their own muck up so far.

Did they notice partygate and how that worked for them?

They need new lines other than it’s the press.

No.

HTH.

I’m not sure Labour are saying it’s the press are they? I mean, anyone not utterly partisan can tell you that the British press is overwhelmingly right wing so obviously they aren’t helping, but I haven’t heard anyone from government blaming the press.
I had a conversation with Alun Michael about press representation of the Labour Party once and he said that the press were generally hostile, but there’s no point in complaining as ‘it’s just the water we swim in’.

You may think that, but it doesn't address the fact that the Telegraph, the Mail and the Express have always had it out for Labour, and yet you have been pretending otherwise. That's at the very least disingenuous of you. It's sad, because you do make some sensible points.

The difference between media coverage of a Labour government and a Tory one is that whilst the tories were merrily breaking actual rules and regulations it was very much covered late in the day, the elephant in the room really couldn’t be ignored any longer. Otoh we’ve got screaming headlines about Labour from day one, many of which were downright lies or exaggeration.
Sorry but if you can’t see that (or rather steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it) you are more politically naive and out of touch than I thought considering your presence on every thread like this.

I can't help thinking a lot ofv the Sue Gray controversy is related to her investigating Partygate.

Same in this house. My bloke has a subscription which he’s coming close to cancelling, we both refer to it as “the comic”.

Starmer’s approval rating has never been particularly high and he says himself that unpopularity is baked in, he was absolutely explicit in his recent interview with Laura Kuenssberg that the government will be unpopular for the beginning of this term because difficult decisions have to be made.

After 3 months? 2 weeks in and they had to deal with nationwide riots. Scratch beneath the headlines and they've done ok so far.

The Telegraph has become ridiculous. It's more Reform aligned than Tory now.

Starmer has never had a clue. I think he's out of depth. The jobs too big for him. All he could ever do when he was leader of the opposition was slag the tories off. All he does now is blame the tories for everything. He doesn't seem to have any decent ideas of his own.

I loved PMQs when it was Starmer v Johnson. Starmer ran rings around him - carefully asked his questions and then Johnson dropped himself in it as he hadn’t a clue what he was doing!

Oh, I think he's had some pretty good ideas.

• Finally implementing the buffer zones around abortion clinics - due to come into force on the 31st
• Settling the strikes
• Stopped treating the EU like the enemy and started actually talking to them - and no, he hasn't got anywhere yet. He's got 8 years of mistrust to chip away at.
• Improvements in workers' rights, including undoing some of the reductions in rights that came in under the previous government
• Putting actual experts into ministerial posts they have real life experience in, instead of jobs for political cronies

You may not like his ideas, but to pretend these things haven't happened/are not happening is disingenuous at the very least.

I understand your feelings, whilst both are intelligent and capable, they just plain lied and deceived us, but the replacements could be worse. Remember Boris, "he's got to go" and we end up with liz Truss, enough said.
We the public will have no say, it would come down presumably, to Labour M.P.s and whoever bullies/bribes them.

Totes agree, labour supporter but always said Starmer and crew made Rishi look like a political mastermind.

Words fail me! They have been in power 3 months. KS dealt well with the riots. We have not even had the budget yet. Also KS hasn't been leader for 14 years nor has Reeves.

I think your so used to entertainment and instability from the previous government/s leaders you are perceiving a vacuum when there isn't one.

It's called how politics should be. When its boring its working. The only chaos there is, is the right wing media stirring the

Good grief, no way.

We've had years of PMs and Chancellors changing so often its like they're in a revolving door, and all it led to was populist nonsense which hasn't solved any of our deep seated problems as a nation.

Starmer is honest and has integrity.
For the first time in a decade we have a chance to resurrect our prospects. Give them a chance!

In what way @sabbii ? Could you provide us with some examples?