Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here. I have a friend who lives in a modest 2 bedroomed house and she has a piano in her lounge.

We gonna get that screenshot or what?

I can't think you've ever lived in a small house if you think that dining rooms with proper dining tables and room for a piano form a part of one.

It's just an upright piano, my friends house had one, they just lived in a normal 3 bed semi. It's not one of those big ones like tables

Nice try, but no cigar.

If you are talking about the old BT ads, the phrase wasn't "it's good to chat". 🤭

Did they have it next to their full sized dining table in their dining room?

Anyone who thinks this labour government is the same as the previous Conservative one clearly isn’t paying attention!

it’s like the grown ups are back in charge

I'm astonished that people can look at that Tory advert and fail to see money.

Perhaps it was a Christmas present? I remember on some of the benefit threads in the past where people have said why shouldn't someone on benefits have a holiday or a few luxuries. Now it seems because it's pensioners people are begrudging them a cheap coffee machine FFS.

it’s like the grown ups are back in charge

I’m surprised people are still posting this

Yeah maybe labour could borrow the tory's ministerial revolving door as the tory's won't be needing it for the foreseeable 🤔
<waves at toryhq>

But where is the overall vision? Who has communicated it to the electorate? Where are the big ideas? Eg. They cancelled Rwanda (good) but what did they replace it with - vague promises of 'smashing the gangs' and (eventually) recruiting a pretty silent Border Force Chief. It's all very underwhelming for a government that has knew it was going to get voted in for quite some time.
It reminds me of something one of the negotiators in the Good Friday talks said, Parties in opposition are so entrenched in saying no and criticising those making the decisions that when they are faced with making the decisions themselves they are floundering.

Granted it’s better than that ‘grown ups’ line in pp but I still can’t see anyone else in Labour not just tanking further

Rooms are generally about 4m x 4m or equivalent in average houses so plenty of room for a piano and table.

Hah, A mandate with 30% of the vote....don't make me laugh!

And always talking the country down so businesses wont invest.

Yes thats reaaaaaly going to grow the economy!

What? That's a big room! No rooms in my house are that big and my house is not small

Let’s get Nige ‘man of the people anti establishment’ Farage in. Now that will solve things. They were never going to have a honeymoon. We all know that.

Fuck me, the intellect of this country 😂

You have a sitting room, and a kitchen. The kitchen might have a kitchen table that you eat at. You do not have a separate room which is for dining in.

And then you get the Trump lites. Keir never won wahhhhh.
Tories trashed the economy with Liz Truss. The economy hasn’t grown for months if not years.

Because there’s so much going on behind the scenes that’s not in the media that feels that way. It’s not just the pm, it’s a whole raft of people who actually know stuff and are credible people.

Then why pretend you didn’t? Exactly what do you think that achieved? It’s not big and it’s not clever.

This ^ for me.

Not sure why there’s so few impressive politicians? The relentless viciousness of politics in the social media age? None of this crop of politicians on the right or left inspire me with confidence. I’d agree to a point that Starmer’s lack of political vision and nuance is unsettling. Reeves seems full of herself just like bloody Bailey. Maybe all BoE economists are like that but doesn’t inspire confidence.

The absence of vision during the election was attributed to Starmer carrying that bloody ming vase but I’d like to see it brought out now with inspiring leadership. Starting out with such political fumbling is also unsettling. Totally an own goal to campaign on integrity (over and over) and not see the optics of accepting all those donations at this juncture. And if they say £22b black hole one more time, I’ll turn off the news forever. Just how stupid do they think we are?

The WFA debacle also shows lack of political nuance. It’s as if they see different demographics in sweeping categories. One is ‘Rich Baby Boomer Pensioners’. Yes of course some are, but many aren’t. Some in the video may have nice goods they’ve bought during their working lives but not ones with millions in shares. Are we saying that they ought to start selling those to pay for heating?

However, whilst some points I’m in agreement about, the OP lost me with Stella Creasy. So few credible and intelligent MPs in the visible Labour Party. Maybe some back benchers. But Nandy? Or Raynor? Or Lammy? Far too many lacking maturity and nuance. Don’t get me wrong, Johnson got rid of the few intelligent and credible Tory MPs too. Politics depressing all around.

No one is saying pensioners can't have luxuries. Of course they can. But if the Tories wanted to make an advert about the WFA, they could have at least made a genuine one with people who will genuinely be affected by the cut.

No one is convinced by the nonsense they have put out and it is of no help to those who will find the loss of the WFA difficult.

But I want credible people in the great offices of state. I want to feel confidence that the Chancellor knows what they are doing - not relying on people behind the scenes. I didn't vote for them! Who are they?

To prick your conscience Blossomtoes, to remind you of your fellow man or woman, to hope you’ll reflect upon how much tax you’ve paid over the years to achieve what you have and now find Robin Hood Reeves wants to take it from you.
I bet landlords offloading properties which their good tenants cannot afford to buy (recent thread) and business owners are delighted by their policies.