Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

They were following the accepted standard.
The measure of them will be what they do next.

The Mail covered Johnson's arse - which is why he has had a column in it. Along with Dorries.

The press go after anyone. It’s just more profit, last gov included.

Labour are just really bad at dealing with it atm with their own errors.

Oh OP, sure you voted Labour, sure you did. Sorry your mates have to pay VAT on the school fees.

I mean, how stupid or uncaring do you have to be to realise that people might find all the freebies offensive?

Surely you've heard of media /political bias though?
All papers have a right or left leaning bias.

No.

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No, it's not time for a new PM and chancellor.

Ah 🙂
(I agree btw)

Surely you’ve heard of papers making profit from interaction?

Partygate for instance ran for months.

Including by the DM. They probably picked it up the most.

Yes, the Daily Mail famously vilified (or if you prefer the term "went after") Boris and the Tories over Partygate. 🙄
One second of Google , defending him. (There's many more where that came from with the right leaning titles if you care too look.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12268525/BRENDAN-ONEILL-Partygates-true-scandal-man-elected-hounded-few.html

Yes, I've heard of papers making profit for interaction.
That doesn't mean that political bias in newspapers doesn't exist.

Hilarious, I know of this from the radio and discussion.

Am I suposed to feel biased for Labour because Lord Ali has carte blanch to no 10?

For or agaisnt depends on what I'm reading
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😆😆 this is funny as it’s so ridiculously stupid

don’t worry in less than five years you will have the chance to vote

Plenty of people have jobs and also have a social life. It's not an either or situation.

You’ve googled one headline. You’d need to look at more, start with partygate onwards.

The DM would have made loads from it, and were a main instigator, plus after the PM was out.

Labour have made some errors, the DM will do the same, although Starmer will likely stay but with polling down.

That's not the truth and you know it.
The press in the majority go after the labour party whether they are in power or not.

I did vote Labour but I’m not bothered whether you believe me or not.

However, maybe you should also question whether Starmer himself Labour because shortly after I started the thread he completely changed his top office team including his strategic comms people. So he must also realise it hasn’t been going too well.

Let’s hope these changes will make a strong and quick impact and that we start to see a vision, positive policies get more airtime and the operation look more competent.

Ha had to change. Sue Gray got hounded and he had to reshuffle.

What a load of tosh - DM wasn't the 'main instigator' either exposing or covering partygate - that honour goes to Paul Bland at ITV and Pippa Crear at the Mirror who was awarded journalist of the year for her efforts. For sure DM might have got lots of clicks but that's down to their business model scraping other publication's copy not their talents in reporting

As I've noted a couple of times voting intention remains firm at 33% same as on the 5th July - source politico poll of polls even tho' KS personal popularity has fallen during a difficult time which hasn't all been self-inflicted. No big gains for Reform either/small drop for the torys. Electorate isn't as daft as might be expected from reading MN and other SM

As a Labour party supporter you'll be pleased to hear that the re-organisation of the comms team has been in the pipeline for a while and not entirely due to recent stresses and strains at No 10 - the 2 deputy chief of staff posts were advertised in early summer

Not at all ‘tosh’ it ran with it as much as possible and capitalised on it with profit.

It’s widely read in the U.K.

Of course there were other players, Cummings a major role for one. But the DM did its part

No point Labour complaining now it’s happening to the current lot and their mistakes.

Other press went for them but that’s just going against the idea the press are only against Labour anyway

A few old spinners on R4 with some tired lines. A reset apparently, again

Good to hear that they had acknowledged changes needed to be made because it was an amateur comms operation.

On Sue Gray I do recognise members of the press were against her but I think it was more nuanced than revenge for partygate as to why she had to go.

In my personal experience, people who’ve travelled through the ranks of the Civil Service to get to the top, are very strong and effective operations people who are used to dealing with huge responsibilities, far more than those on equivalent pay in the private sector.

However, having been in the CS so long they lack direct industry knowledge. So whilst they may have teams who brief them on issues and changes in technology etc, they are seeing it from a different angle.

My theory is Sue Gray was out of direct touch with the current media landscape and external environment. She was focused on running an operationally tight ship but didn’t understand external threats and challenges which would require tactical changes and agile thinking. For this she would need to be replaced.

Top career civil servants should be encouraged to spend a year in industry every few years to remain current.

Weird that they never found it offensive while the Tories were in power, huh? Or when it was Jenrick, Badenoch and Cleverly taking £205,000, £198,000 and £91,000 in freebies this year.

Almost as if there's an ulterior motive for this offense now.