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Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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Whenwillitgetwarm · 06/10/2024 09:13

I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

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Harvestfestivalknickers · 06/10/2024 21:22

I'd just love to see photos of them doing their jobs.

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:27

Harvestfestivalknickers · 06/10/2024 21:22

I'd just love to see photos of them doing their jobs.

Here are some for you.
www.instagram.com/KeirStarmer/?hl=en-gb

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:29

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:27

I follow him. His social media team love a jump cut.

Missamyp · 06/10/2024 21:33

BIossomtoes · 06/10/2024 21:20

Maybe they should just be allowed to do their jobs without being spied on while they’re on holiday or at a football match.

Spied on, she was dancing on stage in a club with a capacity of 5000, fully aware that she was being recorded. What is more shocking is some people think it's ok. How is she relatable accepting backstage passes in a club larging it like Kevin and Perry when she’s supposed to be representing our country as the deputy PM ??
I bet Putin is laughing his socks off.

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:33

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:29

I follow him. His social media team love a jump cut.

So you had already seen photos of 'them' working then. Almost makes it seem as your earlier post was said purely for effect.

pointythings · 06/10/2024 21:34

Missamyp · 06/10/2024 21:05

Please do some research and find your own links. It's currently a hot topic. I'm sure you've heard about it. There is legislation regarding bribery in the workplace, to the extent that many employees are unable to accept even the most basic gifts, while politicians can accept items worth hundreds of thousands. Now, because it's Labour supporters, they have their fingers in their ears and blindfolds on, spouting sophistry to deny the obvious breach of trust and behaviour. This is the party that also claimed they were going to put an end to 14 years of Tory sleaze.
As for Rayner
She's an agent of the Crown, an MP with access to highly sensitive government information. What's she doing dancing the night away in Ibiza? Actions have consequences. So she's not you or I and no I wouldn't compromise myself or my employer by behaving in such a manner.

Edited

Sorry, but no. You made the claim. It's on you to substantiate it. And remember, it has to be cash for access in relation to the current Labour government.

On Angela Rayner you're just being silly. You're basically saying that senior politicians are not allowed to have any fun. Dancing the night away is not immoral or illegal. How does dancing the night away compromise anyone's employer anyway? It's 2024 and there is no need to be so ridiculously uptight.

pointythings · 06/10/2024 21:35

I bet Putin is laughing his socks off.

The man who loved having himself photographed sitting topless on a horse?

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:38

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:33

So you had already seen photos of 'them' working then. Almost makes it seem as your earlier post was said purely for effect.

Huh? The PMS social media feed isn't likely to focus on free suits and multi million pound flats 😄

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:40

I'm afraid I am uptight when it comes to people who are in control of this battered country. I'm uptight and pearl clutching. People in this country are really hurting and seeing prats dancing in Spain and getting free stuff just looks utterly shit.

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:41

Did you feel the same about Boris's gold wallpaper?

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:42

Or his partying with Russian oligarchs?

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:43

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:38

Huh? The PMS social media feed isn't likely to focus on free suits and multi million pound flats 😄

But it does show the photos you said you'd love to see of him working.
You'd already seen them.

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:44

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:43

But it does show the photos you said you'd love to see of him working.
You'd already seen them.

Great. I'm happy there are some people in this country who are cheered by seeing the people in power titting about.

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:46

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:44

Great. I'm happy there are some people in this country who are cheered by seeing the people in power titting about.

Not cheered. Just content for them to enjoy what is (to most people) perfectly acceptable downtime (dancing/football) so long as they are 100% focused on their work when in office.

TofuTart · 06/10/2024 21:47

EasternStandard · 06/10/2024 19:59

The press go for whoever is in power

It’s about comments and interaction and headlines about whoever is in will get that

The press go for whoever is in power

Well that's clearly not true.
The Murdoch press is and has been right leaning for years. (It's been the Conservatives in power for 14 years as opposed to the last couple of months.)
The Sun, Daily Mail etc..... all right wing.
Only one who is left leaning really now I'd say is the Mirror.

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:50

Or the £27,000 of Daylesford luxury organic food that was biked to Downing Street and paid for by a Tory donor Lord Bamford,

Missamyp · 06/10/2024 21:51

pointythings · 06/10/2024 21:35

I bet Putin is laughing his socks off.

The man who loved having himself photographed sitting topless on a horse?

Putin currently rampaging through Ukraine, openly threatening all Western powers and supporting a proxy war in the Middle East.
Putin projects power with his media image, not a Kevin and Perry parody.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 06/10/2024 21:54

Yep, we were all totally fed up with Tory 'snouts in the trough' and gold wallpaper. So we voted for Labour on a platform of integrity and the promise of 'self interest is yesterday's politics'.
And.... oh dear.

EasternStandard · 06/10/2024 21:54

TofuTart · 06/10/2024 21:47

The press go for whoever is in power

Well that's clearly not true.
The Murdoch press is and has been right leaning for years. (It's been the Conservatives in power for 14 years as opposed to the last couple of months.)
The Sun, Daily Mail etc..... all right wing.
Only one who is left leaning really now I'd say is the Mirror.

You must have missed who The Sun backed at the GE

And the DM covering partygate for over a year, and pretty much everything that would generate comment

Labour will have to do better than moan about the press

PandoraSox · 06/10/2024 21:56

Missamyp · 06/10/2024 21:05

Please do some research and find your own links. It's currently a hot topic. I'm sure you've heard about it. There is legislation regarding bribery in the workplace, to the extent that many employees are unable to accept even the most basic gifts, while politicians can accept items worth hundreds of thousands. Now, because it's Labour supporters, they have their fingers in their ears and blindfolds on, spouting sophistry to deny the obvious breach of trust and behaviour. This is the party that also claimed they were going to put an end to 14 years of Tory sleaze.
As for Rayner
She's an agent of the Crown, an MP with access to highly sensitive government information. What's she doing dancing the night away in Ibiza? Actions have consequences. So she's not you or I and no I wouldn't compromise myself or my employer by behaving in such a manner.

Edited

Please do some research and find your own links

Oh, it's been a while since I saw the do your own research line!

pointythings · 06/10/2024 21:56

Missamyp · 06/10/2024 21:51

Putin currently rampaging through Ukraine, openly threatening all Western powers and supporting a proxy war in the Middle East.
Putin projects power with his media image, not a Kevin and Perry parody.

Sorry, but the horse photos just projected pathetic wannabe toxic masculinity. He's probably a big Andrew Tate fan. Whereas Angela Rayner having fun projects her humanity.

AR abstaining from dancing in nightclubs is not going to stop Putin.

Any word on those links I asked for? After all you made the claim, it's up to you to back it up.

Blanketyre · 06/10/2024 21:56

FifiFalafel · 06/10/2024 21:50

Or the £27,000 of Daylesford luxury organic food that was biked to Downing Street and paid for by a Tory donor Lord Bamford,

We voted for Labour because we were sick to the back teeth of all this!

And now they are doing the same thing!

BIossomtoes · 06/10/2024 21:56

You must have missed who The Sun backed at the GE

The Sun always backs the winning party. Overall the British media is overwhelmingly right leaning.

cardibach · 06/10/2024 21:57

Harvestfestivalknickers · 06/10/2024 21:54

Yep, we were all totally fed up with Tory 'snouts in the trough' and gold wallpaper. So we voted for Labour on a platform of integrity and the promise of 'self interest is yesterday's politics'.
And.... oh dear.

Tory ‘snouts in the trough’ were funnelling our money to their mates in dodgy deals. I was always less concerned about properly declared gifts, except when they got to the level that Johnson was accepting.

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