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To laugh at the request to be godparents

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Woollypullover · 05/10/2024 12:57

My friend's daughter, who we've been very close to throughout her life, has asked me and DH to be her baby's godparents.

We're both atheists and of course, therefore, didn't have our own DC christened.

She knows all of this, but still asked.

AIBU to think this is a ridiculous request?

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 08/10/2024 15:30

Yabu. Why is it ridiculous? It doesn't mean anything religious to many people. I am an atheist. I have 3 godchildren.

Snugglemonkey · 08/10/2024 15:31

Mynameistallullah · 05/10/2024 13:03

Just say no thanks, but don't act like a sniggering dickhead about it. There's nothing less attractive than being that person who laughs at people's beliefs because they're way too clever to think the same way

But yanbu for declining. IIRC godparents have to renounce Satan in church etc. If you can't bring yourself to do that (totally get it), don't do it

Edited

I didn't, neither did my muslim co godparent.

Jessie1259 · 08/10/2024 15:45

Woollypullover · 05/10/2024 12:57

My friend's daughter, who we've been very close to throughout her life, has asked me and DH to be her baby's godparents.

We're both atheists and of course, therefore, didn't have our own DC christened.

She knows all of this, but still asked.

AIBU to think this is a ridiculous request?

Say no by all means but why would you laugh at it?
Saying that just makes you sound rude and obnoxious.

CosyCoralCrab · 08/10/2024 16:51

usernamealreadytaken · 08/10/2024 12:43

Christmas and Easter are Christian festivals. If you want to celebrate the pagan traditions around the same time then please do so, but don't wish people Merry Christmas, send Christmas cards or eat Easter eggs unless you want to be a hypocrite - those are specifically Christian and if you disagree with the word God and standing in a church you shouldn't then agree with celebrating Christian festivals.

What rubbish. There are no references to chocolate eggs in the bible. I'll celebrate in whatever cultural but non-religious manner I please tyvm. Christianity imposed its feast days on top of those of religions which went before, and it's no coincidence they derive from marking the solar cycle, vital for early agricultural societies to survive.

Sgtmajormummy · 08/10/2024 16:58

Eggs are a Christian symbol of rebirth. The egg is cold and stony, like the tomb from which Jesus rose.

CosyCoralCrab · 08/10/2024 17:14

Eggs are a symbol of fertility which one religion is now trying to claim ownership of.

category12 · 08/10/2024 18:28

Sgtmajormummy · 08/10/2024 16:58

Eggs are a Christian symbol of rebirth. The egg is cold and stony, like the tomb from which Jesus rose.

Eggs are only cold and stony when abandoned or out of the fridge 😀 The bird spends a whole lot of time keeping them warm so they'll hatch. They are smooth and not really boulder-like at all.

It makes a lot more sense as the ancient symbol of fertility and spring that it was and is.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 08/10/2024 18:34

I do sometimes wonder whether those people who think it’s fine to sneer at, or mock anything Christian-related, would feel equally fine about sneering at/mocking any other religion, perhaps especially Islam, on a public forum.

I don’t suppose I’m the only one who often suspects a prime case of double standards.

LBFseBrom · 08/10/2024 19:27

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 08/10/2024 18:34

I do sometimes wonder whether those people who think it’s fine to sneer at, or mock anything Christian-related, would feel equally fine about sneering at/mocking any other religion, perhaps especially Islam, on a public forum.

I don’t suppose I’m the only one who often suspects a prime case of double standards.

Those who sneer at religion will do so on a public forum, it doesn't matter which religion, they are open about how stupid it all is and laugh. They will even blaspheme, thinking nothing of it because, to them, iti is not blasphemy. I have come across that frequently online and, occasionally, in real life.

Not all people who are agnostic or atheist do that. They respect the right of others to believe as they choose and are sensitive to their feelings.

There are good kind people and some who are far less so.

MasterBeth · 08/10/2024 19:41

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 08/10/2024 18:34

I do sometimes wonder whether those people who think it’s fine to sneer at, or mock anything Christian-related, would feel equally fine about sneering at/mocking any other religion, perhaps especially Islam, on a public forum.

I don’t suppose I’m the only one who often suspects a prime case of double standards.

No religion has any good evidence behind it. All religions are nonsense. Islam is nonsense.

But aren't Christians supposed to turn the other cheek?

MasterBeth · 08/10/2024 19:49

usernamealreadytaken · 08/10/2024 12:40

If the foundation of the country is still on that basis, then yes. If all the English people moved out of England, it would still be England.

A Christian country with no Christians. What a stupid concept.

MasterBeth · 08/10/2024 19:54

usernamealreadytaken · 08/10/2024 12:43

Christmas and Easter are Christian festivals. If you want to celebrate the pagan traditions around the same time then please do so, but don't wish people Merry Christmas, send Christmas cards or eat Easter eggs unless you want to be a hypocrite - those are specifically Christian and if you disagree with the word God and standing in a church you shouldn't then agree with celebrating Christian festivals.

Christmas cards with snowmen on and the legend "Seasons Greetings" aren't in any sense Christian. Christmas hijacked the winter solstice. Our primitive urge to defy the darkest day of the year with food and light and celebration has far more reasonable than the story about the baby and the manger.

CrowleyKitten · 08/10/2024 19:59

I don't think laughing is unreasonable, as the request is so bizarre.
like when we got engaged, one of my husbands family members asked which church we would get married at. I'm openly Pagan and he's an atheist (with an interest in Buddhism) they knew this. so it was funny. neither of us ever attend a church.
we had a handfasting in a stone circle, followed up by the legal bit beside a subterranean lake by candlelight, in a disused slate mine.
it's baffling and funny that anyone would assume we'd get married in a church. because the situation was so absurd.
the same if we were asked to be Godparents. I'd tell them I could swear to be there for them, support them and help them find their own path. but I could not swear to raise them in a religion I don't believe in.

Falsenegative · 09/10/2024 00:53

CrowleyKitten · 08/10/2024 19:59

I don't think laughing is unreasonable, as the request is so bizarre.
like when we got engaged, one of my husbands family members asked which church we would get married at. I'm openly Pagan and he's an atheist (with an interest in Buddhism) they knew this. so it was funny. neither of us ever attend a church.
we had a handfasting in a stone circle, followed up by the legal bit beside a subterranean lake by candlelight, in a disused slate mine.
it's baffling and funny that anyone would assume we'd get married in a church. because the situation was so absurd.
the same if we were asked to be Godparents. I'd tell them I could swear to be there for them, support them and help them find their own path. but I could not swear to raise them in a religion I don't believe in.

Sounds like a hoot.

tinglingallover · 09/10/2024 01:42

And that's why my kids aren't christened.

It's so hypocritical as many godparents stand up in church and make various promises about walking with them in the way of Christ and helping them take their place within the life and worship of the church, yet they never go to church (and neither do the parents).

A lot of christenings (not all) are just an excuse for a party!

I always said my kids can make their own minds up when they are older!

AmIEnough · 09/10/2024 08:33

I think most people see this as putting in place people they trust to take care of their child if anything should happen to them, I don’t think it has the religious connections and connotations that it once did. I would be very touched and honoured to be asked as they clearly trust you and respect your values.

usernamealreadytaken · 09/10/2024 08:53

MasterBeth · 08/10/2024 19:49

A Christian country with no Christians. What a stupid concept.

60% of Londoners are not British. When it reaches 100%, will it be a stupid concept for London to still be the capital of England, and the first city of the UK?

usernamealreadytaken · 09/10/2024 08:56

CosyCoralCrab · 08/10/2024 16:51

What rubbish. There are no references to chocolate eggs in the bible. I'll celebrate in whatever cultural but non-religious manner I please tyvm. Christianity imposed its feast days on top of those of religions which went before, and it's no coincidence they derive from marking the solar cycle, vital for early agricultural societies to survive.

Edited

Eggs are symbolism - they don't need to be mentioned in the Bible to be associated with Easter. They are made of chocolate because it is (used to be) a rare treat and an indulgence after fasting for lent.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 09/10/2024 09:02

surely it's an honour to be asked to be someone's child's godparent regardless of religion or not. It means they trust to you to do right for their child.

I can't think why anyone would be so rude to laugh at it.

Grammarnut · 09/10/2024 13:05

usernamealreadytaken · 09/10/2024 08:53

60% of Londoners are not British. When it reaches 100%, will it be a stupid concept for London to still be the capital of England, and the first city of the UK?

That's a valid point. If 100% of the residents of the capital of the UK no longer subscribe to the values that underpin the UK's government (Christian values) then one would wonder how this was allowed to happen.
However, not being British does not equal not being Christian - category error.

Grammarnut · 09/10/2024 13:08

Sorry, @MasterBeth who said there were no Christians in Britain?

category12 · 09/10/2024 14:19

usernamealreadytaken · 09/10/2024 08:56

Eggs are symbolism - they don't need to be mentioned in the Bible to be associated with Easter. They are made of chocolate because it is (used to be) a rare treat and an indulgence after fasting for lent.

They're associated with pre-Christian celebrations of spring and fertility.

The seasonal festivals were absorbed into Christian tradition as it gained popularity, cos it's easier to adopt and adapt these things than eradicate them.

ricestardust · 09/10/2024 14:35

For non-religious people, I would expect "godparent" to simply be shorthand for formally recognising the person chosen by the parents to stand in loco parentis - should the need ever arise. Personally, I think it is meaningful and sweet that the friend's daughter has asked OP to be her child's LP.

I don't really see a need to object to the word itself. No one reads a fairytale and thinks the "fairy godmother" is secretly trying to preach Christianity with a bibbidi-bobbidi-boo wave of her magic wand.

VoteLabour · 09/10/2024 16:44

It's not a 'in loco parentis' shorthand, it's a shorthand for who's the parent's friend/who they want presents from.

GripeOfTheDay · 09/10/2024 17:46

MasterBeth · 07/10/2024 20:05

I wouldn't agree to do everything in my power to raise a child into that religion.

Would you go into a mosque and pledge before god to bring a baby up in the true faith of Islam?

Then refuse tge offer graciously and move on pls...