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To laugh at the request to be godparents

354 replies

Woollypullover · 05/10/2024 12:57

My friend's daughter, who we've been very close to throughout her life, has asked me and DH to be her baby's godparents.

We're both atheists and of course, therefore, didn't have our own DC christened.

She knows all of this, but still asked.

AIBU to think this is a ridiculous request?

OP posts:
category12 · 06/10/2024 18:40

laraitopbanana · 06/10/2024 18:35

Hi op,

you are stuck in a religious mindset. It means she cares deeply for you and would entrust you with her baby should anything happen to her and dp.

Certainly not something to laugh about.

That post doesn’t make light on your affection towards her at all. It seems that your opinions are more important. If you don’t want it to be taken that way, I suggest you show your respect and love for her by accepting, being willing to stand in a Church if needed. No they won’t drag you every Sunday in it after that. I would thread carefully if you want to keep the friendship.

If you need to, clarify the expectations.

Good luck 🌺

Why doesn't her mate show respect and affection for her by not asking her to do something she knows perfectly well OP doesn't agree with?

The mate is also not religious.

So if she wants a party and "welcome to the world" celebration, why not just do a secular one? Since she isn't a believer herself and the person she wants to take a role is actively against it.

JayJayj · 06/10/2024 18:41

I am god mother to all my niece and nephews. I am atheist. I haven’t had my daughter christened. I don’t see it as big deal.

Saltedbutter · 06/10/2024 18:42

I think your mocking attitude to what is a touching request is really unkind. Your following posts equally had a rude streak to them.
Im also an atheist and I think your attitude to somebody who obviously values you absolutely stinks.

MasterBeth · 06/10/2024 18:43

Gladicalled · 05/10/2024 16:17

That still makes no sense.

Op believes god doesn’t exist therefore he can’t be anything.

Op has decided he is a malevolent character. But how has she come to that conclusion? God, for people who believe in him, isn’t a character. And they don’t believe he is malevolent.

Characters from novels or films are written entirely from their creators perspective. There is no one perspective of God. No one writer whose word is the final edit.

Unless you believe Op was comparing God to Film character. Because that would also be foul and sneery. Being an atheist is an entirely valid choice. Being a dickhead to other people because they believe differently and sneering about their beliefs, isn’t a valid choice.

I someone doesn't believe in god, then naturally they believe that all the books and movies written about him are fiction.

Fictional characters often have multiple authors building out the canon, like SpiderMan or Ken Barlow or Doctor Who.

RampantIvy · 06/10/2024 18:50

It means she cares deeply for you and would entrust you with her baby should anything happen to her and dp.

No, it doesn't @laraitopbanana. It just means they want her to be a godparent.
A godparent has no legal rights as a guardian. A legal guardian can be a godparent, but it needs to be written into the will. Being a godparent does not automatically mean they are a legal guardian.

So much misunderstanding on this thread about the difference between a legal guardian and a godparent.

@CrowleyKittensorry, but christianity is the official religion of this country whether you want to believe it or not.

Skodacool · 06/10/2024 18:53

Falsenegative · 05/10/2024 17:34

Don’t be ridiculous. My not religious parents christened me in the 80s. It is a tradition. To celebrate the baby and yes, to have a party.

It's not ridiculous. Holy baptism is a solemn ceremony where the child is brought into the church. If you believe all that , and I'm an atheist, then baptism is important. You can celebrate the baby and have a party without baptism

Mumoftwochildrenand6furkids · 06/10/2024 19:10

I cant say I blame you, Im an atheists too and whist it does not have to be religious now days Iv heard off an few friends and also AIBU about parents acting entiled because someone agrees to become godparents to their child ie expecting exspensive gifts, babysitting constantly, Id maybe not laugh though and politely decline.

DerekFaker · 06/10/2024 19:23

I think most atheists are laughing internally, sometimes gently and sometimes not, at their religious friends and their crazy beliefs.

Not really, no. I grew out of that at about age 15.

Screamingabdabz · 06/10/2024 20:01

JayJayj · 06/10/2024 18:41

I am god mother to all my niece and nephews. I am atheist. I haven’t had my daughter christened. I don’t see it as big deal.

How could you pledge to support them in their spiritual and Christian life then? Or did you just say the vows in church lying through your teeth?

MellersSmellers · 06/10/2024 20:22

heldinadream · 05/10/2024 13:01

To laugh at this would be horrible.
You can ask them what in fact their expectations of godparents are, it might turn out to be a non-religious role to them that they are just using the word for.
Or you can politely decline, thanking them for asking you and saying that you're touched by the thought that they would presumably value you in their child's life.
But don't laugh. Please.

This

croydon15 · 06/10/2024 20:43

MindatWork · 05/10/2024 13:02

Your message is really quite unpleasant op. Your daughter’s friend obviously values her relationship with you and looks up you enough to ask you to do this.

You can graciously decline but don’t laugh at her.

This

laraitopbanana · 06/10/2024 20:45

category12 · 06/10/2024 18:40

Why doesn't her mate show respect and affection for her by not asking her to do something she knows perfectly well OP doesn't agree with?

The mate is also not religious.

So if she wants a party and "welcome to the world" celebration, why not just do a secular one? Since she isn't a believer herself and the person she wants to take a role is actively against it.

Because she gets to choose what she wants for her babe and asks like everyone lol. Asking someone to be a godmother is well…not offensive.

This is also not what the op said anyway. Her question was if it is ok to laugh as an answer. That is offensive so…no. Not ok.

It is really as simple as that.

laraitopbanana · 06/10/2024 20:49

RampantIvy · 06/10/2024 18:50

It means she cares deeply for you and would entrust you with her baby should anything happen to her and dp.

No, it doesn't @laraitopbanana. It just means they want her to be a godparent.
A godparent has no legal rights as a guardian. A legal guardian can be a godparent, but it needs to be written into the will. Being a godparent does not automatically mean they are a legal guardian.

So much misunderstanding on this thread about the difference between a legal guardian and a godparent.

@CrowleyKittensorry, but christianity is the official religion of this country whether you want to believe it or not.

True it would need to be legal to be enacted. But that doesn’t mean that the rest isn’t true. It is a special bond of influence and expected to guide as a mother would in addition or instead of the real mother.

People can choose whom they want. It is an honor really.

Sharptonguedwoman · 06/10/2024 20:54

There are serious religious vows a godparent has to make, not to be taken lightly, OP. Decline gracefully? I was a churchgoer when I became a godparent (much lapsed now). My goddaughters' parents hopefully later realised I was maybe rubbish at the churchgoing but would have absolutely been there in any practical sense if needed.

Thalia31 · 06/10/2024 21:18

Woollypullover · 05/10/2024 12:57

My friend's daughter, who we've been very close to throughout her life, has asked me and DH to be her baby's godparents.

We're both atheists and of course, therefore, didn't have our own DC christened.

She knows all of this, but still asked.

AIBU to think this is a ridiculous request?

You sound ridiculous

Falsenegative · 06/10/2024 21:43

Skodacool · 06/10/2024 18:53

It's not ridiculous. Holy baptism is a solemn ceremony where the child is brought into the church. If you believe all that , and I'm an atheist, then baptism is important. You can celebrate the baby and have a party without baptism

Read properly. It was in reply to someone claiming that non-religious people are only having christenings for Instagram.

Thisandthat999 · 06/10/2024 21:50

OP, you’ve avoided answering the questions about whether you ACTUALLY laughed in her face? Did you? Because if so, yes that was unkind and unnecessary.
Whether or not you have a faith (and you seem to make it a big part of your identity that you don’t- it’s ok, we get it!) you could be respectful and supportive of the people you claim to be close to.
You could politely (if you can manage that) decline explaining that you wouldn’t feel genuine saying the religious bits, but you want to be there to support them (I assume you can set foot in church for their sake without bursting into flames?)
If you did laugh at them I hope they will have reconsidered their opinion of you anyway and no longer want you influencing their child…
I’m not a Christian, but you sound more asshole than atheist…

Maray1967 · 06/10/2024 22:11

WhatNoRaisins · 05/10/2024 13:16

I wouldn't laugh at them, you know that won't go down well. Your reasons for saying no make perfect sense though. If you're not religious surely a humanist naming ceremony makes more sense. The promises made at a Christening service are, well, very Christian.

Exactly. It’s ridiculous to ask professed atheists to be godparents as the vows in any denomination’s baptism service will involve parents and godparents professing their faith - she obviously hasn’t realised this.

I’d explain this nicely - but I wouldn’t laugh.

Pipsquiggle · 07/10/2024 03:41

Screamingabdabz · 06/10/2024 20:01

How could you pledge to support them in their spiritual and Christian life then? Or did you just say the vows in church lying through your teeth?

@Screamingabdabz
Pretty much, yes. I lied through the religious bits.
Just because I don't believe in god doesn't mean I can't be a good role model for my godchild or wish the very best for them. I am happy to say I reject evil. Jesus promoted tolerance and inclusion, as do I.
Christian faith doesn't have exclusive rights and the only way on how to be a positive influence on that baby's life. I was asked to be a role model for my personal qualities by the parents. They know my stance on religion and still asked me - they would have known more devout people than me as they go to church most weeks......... yet still asked me, I was touched TBH

ParrotPirouette · 07/10/2024 11:25

As an atheist ‘lying in church’ or ‘having no respect for the church’ wouldn’t bother me a bit. I don’t believe in god or have any respect for the church.

i do believe in community and any excuse for a party though, so if asked to be a godparent I would accept (after making sure the parents know I am an atheist of course)

Fridayfederica · 07/10/2024 11:45

Being non-religious I am instead a guide-parent, still the same function as a god-parent minus the religious input. I was thrilled to be asked and do what I can to fulfil the role. The family, friends and other guide-parents attended a humanist ceremony similar to a christening followed by a party.

GripeOfTheDay · 07/10/2024 11:47

CrowleyKitten · 06/10/2024 17:09

Why? we're a multicultural country, and Christianity is not the native religion.

As been expressed many times. The UK is a Christian country, which allows other religions to practice their faith in peace.

If the poster doesn't agree with her friend's choices, save everyone the pain and just refuse on the grounds you are an atheist and non believer. I'm sure lots of others will be happy to step in.

For those who sneer at this ritual, just wondering if you would equally sneer at Muslim, Shikh, Hindu etc customs or would you see them as charming and delighted to be asked.

category12 · 07/10/2024 13:02

ParrotPirouette · 07/10/2024 11:25

As an atheist ‘lying in church’ or ‘having no respect for the church’ wouldn’t bother me a bit. I don’t believe in god or have any respect for the church.

i do believe in community and any excuse for a party though, so if asked to be a godparent I would accept (after making sure the parents know I am an atheist of course)

For me, I wouldn't be comfortable because it's making a public promise to do something I've no intention in doing.

It goes against my personal code to promise something I won't at least try to follow through on.

And I'm not gonna guide anyone towards faith.

So they'd need to find someone else to pay lipservice to it, or a believer, or just have a secular alternative if they really want me.

motherofbabydragon · 07/10/2024 13:07

to be honest it is very horrible that you laughed at this. they were essentially saying should anything happen to them both you are the one they would trust to look after their child and make sure it is alright.

kokomilan · 07/10/2024 13:21

Woollypullover · 05/10/2024 12:57

My friend's daughter, who we've been very close to throughout her life, has asked me and DH to be her baby's godparents.

We're both atheists and of course, therefore, didn't have our own DC christened.

She knows all of this, but still asked.

AIBU to think this is a ridiculous request?

from one atheist to another, you sound so ignorant, over performative, uncouth and brash. There’s no need for the sniggering way you have behaved here. You are as bad as the religious fanatics you snare at, for the sake of the child, I hope you decline. Why would anyone want someone like you to be an influence in their child’s life?!!

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