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Illuminati, real or not?

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PifandHercule · 03/10/2024 20:33

I’ve been seeing a lot of online content about the Illuminati lately.
Does anyone have any first hand accounts of their existence?
So many conspiracies these days, it’s hard to know what to believe.

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HelpMeGetThrough · 04/10/2024 07:52

Neuroticmillenial · 03/10/2024 21:12

An ex Freemason told me the illuminati are real but he didn’t tell me much 🤷‍♀️

Freemasons wouldn't know.

The majority are a bunch of batshit old men, who barely know what day of the week it is.

I've lived around one for over 50 years and met plenty of them. Bonkers, the lot of them.

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 08:03

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for since he took the premise from the book, The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail, embellished it with some schlock fiction and turned it into a bestseller. Now people think he's a historian and he's spawned a thousand conspiracy theories. It's amazing what people will believe.

EveryDayisFriday · 04/10/2024 08:18

Well it was a real organisation created in 1776 in Bavaria. However it imploded by power grabs and was shut down not long after.

Today? Are there powerful people/ businesses influencing governments/ laws/ world events? I have no doubt about that. Is it one secret society with certain members? No I don't think so. I think it's many different wealthy and powerful individuals looking after their own self interests.

PifandHercule · 04/10/2024 09:25

Yamantau · 04/10/2024 01:59

@PifandHercule

From a historian’s perspective, the question of whether the Illuminati is "real or not" requires an examination of historical evidence, as well as a consideration of how myth, conspiracy, and fact have intertwined over the centuries.
Historical Origins of the Illuminati

The Illuminati were, indeed, a real organization—though perhaps not in the sense that modern conspiracy theories suggest. The group commonly referred to as the Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776, in Bavaria (modern-day Germany) by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. This society, formally known as the Order of the Illuminati or Bavarian Illuminati, was a secret society that aimed to promote Enlightenment ideals, such as reason, secularism, and the separation of church and state. It was established as a counter to the perceived dominance of the Catholic Church and the monarchy in Bavarian society.

Initially, the Illuminati were a relatively small, intellectual group that sought to influence political and social reform by infiltrating other institutions, including Masonic lodges, which were already established as fraternal organizations promoting similar Enlightenment values. However, the group was short-lived. By the mid-1780s, the Bavarian government, under pressure from the Catholic Church, outlawed the Illuminati and other secret societies, fearing they would undermine established political and religious structures. As a result, the organization was disbanded, and there is no substantial historical evidence that it persisted in any significant form after this time.

While the historical Illuminati was disbanded in the late 18th century, the myth of the Illuminati took on a life of its own. In the years following the French Revolution (1789), some conservative thinkers and writers, notably Augustin Barruel and John Robison, popularized the idea that secret societies like the Illuminati had orchestrated the revolution and were behind broader attempts to overthrow traditional monarchies and the Christian church. These early conspiracy theories began to weave the Illuminati into a narrative of secretive, shadowy elites manipulating world events.

The Illuminati myth gained renewed momentum in the 20th century, particularly in the aftermath of global conflicts like the two World Wars and during periods of political and social upheaval. Various conspiracy theories suggest that the Illuminati not only survived its 18th-century suppression but evolved into a clandestine global cabal of elites who continue to manipulate world events—controlling governments, corporations, media, and even shaping cultural and social trends. Theories about the Illuminati have been popularized in literature, films, and other forms of entertainment, most famously by authors like Robert Anton Wilson and Dan Brown.

From a historian’s perspective, the evidence for the continued existence of the Illuminati beyond its suppression in the late 1700s is minimal to nonexistent. No credible historical documents or sources have emerged to substantiate the claims that the Illuminati continues to operate as a global power broker. Conspiracy theories around the Illuminati tend to rely on circumstantial connections, speculation, and a lack of verifiable evidence. They often serve as explanations for complex and often opaque geopolitical events, providing a narrative in which a small group of powerful individuals exerts control over vast swaths of society. This can be psychologically appealing to people seeking to make sense of global complexities.

Furthermore, historians generally caution against conflating historical secret societies with the modern conspiratorial image of the Illuminati. Secret societies like the Illuminati, Freemasons, and others were not uncommon in the 18th century and were often forums for discussing philosophical and political ideas. However, their influence, while notable in specific contexts, was not the monolithic, all-encompassing force depicted by later conspiracy theorists.

In conclusion, while the Illuminati were once a real organization that sought to promote Enlightenment ideals and challenge the status quo of 18th-century Bavarian society, the notion of a modern-day Illuminati controlling world events lacks credible historical evidence. The Illuminati, as it is widely understood today, exists more in the realm of myth and conspiracy than in documented historical fact. That said, the idea of powerful, hidden elites has a long history and will likely continue to capture the public imagination, particularly during times of political and social uncertainty.

Thank you for taking the time to post such in-depth information.

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Evilartsgrad · 04/10/2024 09:28

Birdscratch · 03/10/2024 20:34

So many conspiracies these days, it’s hard to know what to believe.

Not conspiracy theories.

Yes conspiracy theory. An actual informal society may exist, with historical roots. Doesn't mean they control the world. Money controls the world, it's not complicated.
Stop reading Dan Brown. He's a crap writer anyway.

Evilartsgrad · 04/10/2024 09:31

Dewberry0912 · 03/10/2024 23:14

My dad and husband are masons. It's basically a social club where they raise money for charity, do a secret handshake and get pissed 😅

And give each other preferential business treatment.

HelpMeGetThrough · 04/10/2024 11:50

My dad and husband are masons. It's basically a social club where they raise money for charity, do a secret handshake and get pissed 😅

And call each other worshipful this, that and the other.

Nothing but an ego boost.

Jasmin71 · 04/10/2024 12:59

I once heard someway say that;

"The fact that there are a select group of people in control of the world, or that no such arrangement exists and we are actually subject to nothing but chaos are both possible and, frankly, both equally frightening."

citylightsbehind · 04/10/2024 14:22

Jasmin71 · 04/10/2024 12:59

I once heard someway say that;

"The fact that there are a select group of people in control of the world, or that no such arrangement exists and we are actually subject to nothing but chaos are both possible and, frankly, both equally frightening."

I'll take chaos over Musk and Zuck, any day.

Not real in anything other than an historical sense, OP. But the more you feed that algorithm, the more real the possibility will seem.

colouringindoors · 04/10/2024 14:26

ScrambledSmegs · 03/10/2024 21:54

Tangentially to the Illuminati bollocks -

Why does everything seriously awful (usually rape of women and/or children) perpetrated by the rich and powerful always get lumped together with ‘satanic rituals’? Thats what I want to know.

It’s basically giving permission to eye-roll. Stop with the devil-worshipping conspiracy theories, no one really believes it. The stuff they actually have done is much worse than this daft crap. They’re not doing it for satan, they do it because they want to Angry

Yes! With the P Diddy allegations coming to the surface, there are people declaring that satanic practices happened in his house too. As if the rest of it wasn't bad enough...

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 19:08

It's an Evangelical obsession, they consider many things satanic. Yoga, apparently. It's the devil's work.

Rummly · 04/10/2024 19:26

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 19:08

It's an Evangelical obsession, they consider many things satanic. Yoga, apparently. It's the devil's work.

That’s true, but it’s not confined to evangelicals. Some members of other Christian faiths, some social workers, police and others, even doctors, bought into the satanic panic of the ‘90s. It was a form of mass hysteria.

It was, and is, of course utter rubbish, start to finish.

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 17:26

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 21:35

Satanists = real. Child and human sacrifice = real. These deaths are posed as accidents, or done to a homeless person who won't be missed.

What's so bad about satanists? I would be much less scared of a satanist than any other religion. Never heard of satanists bombing medical clinics, strapping on suicide vests, raping children, as for the other religions, well ...

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 17:32

So many dumb comments about satanism here,when in actuality, it is the least judgmental and most compassionate doctrine out there, esp when compared religions like Christianity and Islam.

Rummly · 05/10/2024 18:24

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 17:32

So many dumb comments about satanism here,when in actuality, it is the least judgmental and most compassionate doctrine out there, esp when compared religions like Christianity and Islam.

Brilliant. Truly brilliant. The Prince of Darkness gets a good write up on MN!

Reminds me of the Not the Nine O’Clock News sketch about trendy vicars: “These days it’s not so much ‘Get thee behind me Satan!’ as ‘Come on in me old son and have a cup of tea.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 05/10/2024 18:34

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 17:26

What's so bad about satanists? I would be much less scared of a satanist than any other religion. Never heard of satanists bombing medical clinics, strapping on suicide vests, raping children, as for the other religions, well ...

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Raping children is common across the board unfortunately. In every religion, race, profession. The most common place that sexual abuse takes places is in the home. And I do think it's satanic.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 05/10/2024 18:39

BoundaryGirl3939 · 05/10/2024 18:34

Raping children is common across the board unfortunately. In every religion, race, profession. The most common place that sexual abuse takes places is in the home. And I do think it's satanic.

I also think that abusing children messes them up for life as it rips the humanity out of them. Some go on to reject what was done to them, and their abusers, but their lives can spiral out of control with despair. Some become hardened like their abusers and go on to do the same to others.
Some people believe that Mk'd adults were abused as children. Zero boundaries as adults so their easy to control.

Shakeoffyourchains · 05/10/2024 18:42

Yamantau · 04/10/2024 01:59

@PifandHercule

From a historian’s perspective, the question of whether the Illuminati is "real or not" requires an examination of historical evidence, as well as a consideration of how myth, conspiracy, and fact have intertwined over the centuries.
Historical Origins of the Illuminati

The Illuminati were, indeed, a real organization—though perhaps not in the sense that modern conspiracy theories suggest. The group commonly referred to as the Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776, in Bavaria (modern-day Germany) by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. This society, formally known as the Order of the Illuminati or Bavarian Illuminati, was a secret society that aimed to promote Enlightenment ideals, such as reason, secularism, and the separation of church and state. It was established as a counter to the perceived dominance of the Catholic Church and the monarchy in Bavarian society.

Initially, the Illuminati were a relatively small, intellectual group that sought to influence political and social reform by infiltrating other institutions, including Masonic lodges, which were already established as fraternal organizations promoting similar Enlightenment values. However, the group was short-lived. By the mid-1780s, the Bavarian government, under pressure from the Catholic Church, outlawed the Illuminati and other secret societies, fearing they would undermine established political and religious structures. As a result, the organization was disbanded, and there is no substantial historical evidence that it persisted in any significant form after this time.

While the historical Illuminati was disbanded in the late 18th century, the myth of the Illuminati took on a life of its own. In the years following the French Revolution (1789), some conservative thinkers and writers, notably Augustin Barruel and John Robison, popularized the idea that secret societies like the Illuminati had orchestrated the revolution and were behind broader attempts to overthrow traditional monarchies and the Christian church. These early conspiracy theories began to weave the Illuminati into a narrative of secretive, shadowy elites manipulating world events.

The Illuminati myth gained renewed momentum in the 20th century, particularly in the aftermath of global conflicts like the two World Wars and during periods of political and social upheaval. Various conspiracy theories suggest that the Illuminati not only survived its 18th-century suppression but evolved into a clandestine global cabal of elites who continue to manipulate world events—controlling governments, corporations, media, and even shaping cultural and social trends. Theories about the Illuminati have been popularized in literature, films, and other forms of entertainment, most famously by authors like Robert Anton Wilson and Dan Brown.

From a historian’s perspective, the evidence for the continued existence of the Illuminati beyond its suppression in the late 1700s is minimal to nonexistent. No credible historical documents or sources have emerged to substantiate the claims that the Illuminati continues to operate as a global power broker. Conspiracy theories around the Illuminati tend to rely on circumstantial connections, speculation, and a lack of verifiable evidence. They often serve as explanations for complex and often opaque geopolitical events, providing a narrative in which a small group of powerful individuals exerts control over vast swaths of society. This can be psychologically appealing to people seeking to make sense of global complexities.

Furthermore, historians generally caution against conflating historical secret societies with the modern conspiratorial image of the Illuminati. Secret societies like the Illuminati, Freemasons, and others were not uncommon in the 18th century and were often forums for discussing philosophical and political ideas. However, their influence, while notable in specific contexts, was not the monolithic, all-encompassing force depicted by later conspiracy theorists.

In conclusion, while the Illuminati were once a real organization that sought to promote Enlightenment ideals and challenge the status quo of 18th-century Bavarian society, the notion of a modern-day Illuminati controlling world events lacks credible historical evidence. The Illuminati, as it is widely understood today, exists more in the realm of myth and conspiracy than in documented historical fact. That said, the idea of powerful, hidden elites has a long history and will likely continue to capture the public imagination, particularly during times of political and social uncertainty.

The use of phrases like "examination of the evidence, furthermore and in conclusion" are dead give aways you've used chatgpt btw. Just an FYI if you plan to use it for uni or work.

justasking111 · 05/10/2024 18:57

I've been watching a documentary on Elizabeth Taylor. She and another young actress at the time Margaret O'Brian who is still alive alluded to their boss as being odd, little girls being made to sit on the MGM bosses knees. You knew what they both meant. Hollywood was a nasty cesspit even then.

So yes I believe powerful individuals do work together.

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 19:09

Rummly · 05/10/2024 18:24

Brilliant. Truly brilliant. The Prince of Darkness gets a good write up on MN!

Reminds me of the Not the Nine O’Clock News sketch about trendy vicars: “These days it’s not so much ‘Get thee behind me Satan!’ as ‘Come on in me old son and have a cup of tea.

Clearly you know nothing about satanism. See below the 7 fundamental tenets of the satanic temple. Why don't we compare this to the hate fueled rhetoric spewed in the Bible or the Quran.

There are Seven
FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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Rummly · 05/10/2024 19:20

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 19:09

Clearly you know nothing about satanism. See below the 7 fundamental tenets of the satanic temple. Why don't we compare this to the hate fueled rhetoric spewed in the Bible or the Quran.

There are Seven
FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Really? This is Beelzebub’s manifesto? He’s gone a bit soft hasn’t he?

What happened to possession, demons and being booted out of heaven?

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 19:28

Rummly · 05/10/2024 19:20

Really? This is Beelzebub’s manifesto? He’s gone a bit soft hasn’t he?

What happened to possession, demons and being booted out of heaven?

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us?srsltid=AfmBOorqUGaTMGQZFeVyiuYxTV1bYQrusuxqTw_Pz3LnKTnWCrjleNF_

The possession and demon nonsense is Christian scaremongering. The satanic panic was a hoax, moral panic, baseless conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims. There has been no single verified claim of satanic abuse or sacrifice, yet there have been plenty of verified claims of abuse by those practicing every other religion. We all know the true evil in this world and it always comes from religion.

Also, just fyi, I'm not a satanist I'm an atheist. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of blaming satanism for all the evil in the world.

About Us

The mission of The Satanic Temple is to support empathy between people, freedom, unwillingness to tyrannical power, and protest against injustice.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us?srsltid=AfmBOorqUGaTMGQZFeVyiuYxTV1bYQrusuxqTw_Pz3LnKTnWCrjleNF_

Garlicbest · 05/10/2024 19:38

Echobelly · 03/10/2024 22:15

There's no need for incredibly rich and powerful people to secretly be controlling the world - they are pretty blatantly doing it and there's not an awful lot anyone can do about it! It's called capitalism.

Yeah, this.

Groups of highly influential people (mostly white men, natch) already meet up to talk about their important ideas and big each other up. They do this at events like Bilderberg, summits with various governments, dinners with various royalty, at their clubs and on each other's yachts. These meetings are private but not secret. They do not require any quasi-religious bullshit and rituals, just very expensive catering.

Groups of slightly less influential people (mostly white men, natch) do it in similar ways, with far less input by governments and royals. They make up for that by bonding over religious bullshit and rituals, such as Scientology and the Catholic Church.

Groups of quite a lot less influential people (all men) make up for their shortage of governmental, royal and religious influence by bonding over made-up bullshit and rituals. They call it Freemasonry.

Groups of people from all the above and elsewhere bond over illegal activities such as child sexual abuse and trafficking of people, arms and drugs. They gain institutional power via blackmail wherever possible, but are still not invited to the above-mentioned marketplaces of influence.

All these things really do happen, everywhere and all the time. There's no need for yet another bunch of bullshit rituals, the channels of power are already well established. The richest 10% of the world's population owns almost three-quarters of the world's wealth. If they were all working together, don't you think they'd have sorted shit out by now?

Ladyof2024 · 05/10/2024 19:43

MontysBakehouse · 03/10/2024 22:29

Sorry but this is nonsense. Though the contents of the meetings are closely guarded, the existence of the group has been widely known since at least the 60s. Edward Heath attended when he was PM, back in the 70s, and it was reported on at the time.

No my post is NOT "nonsense". I am old enough to have lived through those days, not just reading about it now.

During the 1970s and 1980s in my job I used to read every daily paper, every day, and I never once saw the name "Bilderberg". My boyfriend at the time was a Labour politician and he told he had never heard of it.

About 1996, criticising Icke's book, the Guardian actually referred to his "ridiculous Build-a-Burger" fantasy meetings that, it claimed, were a figment of his imagination. I will find the quote for you if you like! Shortly afterwards Blair exposed the group in the register of members' interests. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Also, how can a democracy have elected MPs and politicians attending yearly meetings the contents of which are "closely guarded"?