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Illuminati, real or not?

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PifandHercule · 03/10/2024 20:33

I’ve been seeing a lot of online content about the Illuminati lately.
Does anyone have any first hand accounts of their existence?
So many conspiracies these days, it’s hard to know what to believe.

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Dewberry0912 · 03/10/2024 23:14

My dad and husband are masons. It's basically a social club where they raise money for charity, do a secret handshake and get pissed 😅

Ketzele · 03/10/2024 23:18

Dewberry, so more Rotary Club than Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Scorchio84 · 03/10/2024 23:18

Babadookinthewardrobe · 03/10/2024 22:44

Opus Dei! I forgot about them. Are they the ones who do branding irons?

Yeah & they flagellate themselves... absolute madness!

YourLastNerve · 03/10/2024 23:20

If I'm honest i couldn't care less, my life's alright. If they're out there somewhere interfering I'm doing ok out of it like

Crazyeight · 03/10/2024 23:22

I think there are powerful men that exploit everyone in their paths. see Harvey Weinstein, Mohammed al fayad, that Abercrombie guy etc. etc.

And you have the bullingdon and Garrick brigade but I don't think that they all Whatsapp each other on a Friday to get together and play tarot and ouija boards.

ProvincialLady2024 · 03/10/2024 23:22

Rummly · 03/10/2024 21:18

The Illuminati are real. I know this because their agents broke into my house and stole all my tinfoil helmets that kept me safe from their undetectable brain altering waves.

Or my cleaner might have thrown them out. But if she did she must have been in the pay of the Illuminati. There’s no other plausible explanation.

Are you safe now?

DM your address if you need more foil hats😱

jaundicedoutlook · 03/10/2024 23:22

It’s real.

And Adrian Chiles is its secret leader.

Scorchio84 · 03/10/2024 23:24

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 22:01

There are Freemasonic symbols all over Dublin. The average person is unaware of their significance. Hidden in plain site.

There's a lovely one on Molesworth Street that you can actually tour, it's quite cool

By "one" I meant to say building

Crazyeight · 03/10/2024 23:24

Ketzele · 03/10/2024 23:18

Dewberry, so more Rotary Club than Raiders of the Lost Ark?

But in workplaces like the met it is insidious. So while it seems harmless it's the backbone to a shitty misogynistic culture that breeds the likes of Wayne Couzens

Ketzele · 03/10/2024 23:28

Bottom line for me is that you don't need conspiracy theories to explain the world. There are conspiracies, yes. Stuff happens behind the scenes. But the idea of one unified group choreographing the organs of power defies everything we know about human beings.

Power is concentrated in the hands of the few. They conspire with each other and against each other. Hard to believe that Satanism is part of this picture in any significant way. And as for paedophilia; I think it makes more sense to understand this as what happens when the corrupting decadence of too much power combines with pornified male sexuality; of course women and children get abused.

Rummly · 03/10/2024 23:30

ProvincialLady2024 · 03/10/2024 23:22

Are you safe now?

DM your address if you need more foil hats😱

That’s kind, but I’m sorted. Picked up several rolls of extra big turkey foil and have fashioned a foil hazmat-style suit.

I’m sweating a lot but I realise that’s the effect of the chemtrails and it’ll pass when I’ve worn the suit for a few days. All good. 👍

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 23:35

Scorchio84 · 03/10/2024 23:24

There's a lovely one on Molesworth Street that you can actually tour, it's quite cool

By "one" I meant to say building

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That's corrects. It's practically in the back garden of the Irish parliament building, which also has a huge freemason obelisk in its front garden. That 'one' is the headquarters, I think.

CharlotteLucas3 · 03/10/2024 23:38

Multi-national corporations are running the world. Why wouldn't they be?

Sociopathic billionaires can do whatever they like. I'm not sure why this wouldn't be obvious....

Fescue · 03/10/2024 23:38

If the Illuminati ever existed, it would have been on a local scale and not an international one. If it existed before the two world wars then it was not really that effective.

On a global scale then it may have existed between about 1950 and 1999. Globalisation but with power controlled in just a few hands, due to oil, plutonium and gold being major assets it is not unreasonable to see that a covert group of leaders could work together. In particular, the Gulf War allowed the US to sell off its assets (aka a new Lend Lease) to the Gulf States and in return use those funds to scale up smart weapons. The rationale to invade Iraq in 2003 was weak even if there had been WMDs. The payback was oil revenues in the hands of private individuals. They raised armies and were paid in oil.

The internet changed that. It fragmented the old order that operated on strict rules of capital allocation and a hierarchy based on human relationships based on debt. The internet now says it is not who you know, but what you know about who you know that matters. More so, can you sell that what you know is the truth. The Illuminati may not even exist any more. But it was certainly there in the late 20th century and the USA probably came out best.

bragpuss · 03/10/2024 23:46

It makes no sense if you think about it for more than a few seconds

MontysBakehouse · 03/10/2024 23:52

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 03/10/2024 22:54

I believe in it 100%.

I’m not sure if this anything to do with the Illuminati but it’s strange and fascinating none the less. How many peoples names have a fitting anagram eg.
Ian Bothham…. Oh man I bat.
Clint Eastwood.. Old west action.
Princess Diana.. Ascend in Paris.
Saddam Hussain. UN said he’s mad.
Florence Nightingale.. Angel of the reclining

Ignoring that several of those are not their legal names (and I'd assume, for example Clinton Eastwood Jr's name is more likely explained by his father being named Clinton Eastwood), those anagrams range from shit ("oh man I bat").to...well...not actually being anagrams (there's no "e" is Saddam Hussain).

Otherwise, great post.

MontysBakehouse · 03/10/2024 23:58

Although on reflection, awwlookatmybabyspider is an anagram of "Wow, Probably Mistake Day", so I suppose that explains the Saddam one.

HollyKnight · 04/10/2024 00:01

Probably. Men (it's usually men) love to feel special and powerful. 🙄My grandfather was a Stonemason. Uniform, swords, special symbols, secret meetings etc. The whole shebang. Just another cult to give your money to.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/10/2024 00:13

Scorchio84 · 03/10/2024 23:18

Yeah & they flagellate themselves... absolute madness!

Hmm, I’ve always had my suspicions about goings on at our local rotary tbh 🤔

MissFancyDay · 04/10/2024 00:25

There are secret societies all over the world and have existed for hundreds of years. Ones that run the world, brainwash celebrities and sacrifice children, mmmmmm probably not.

But people that dismiss everything out of hand without questioning, because it doesn't fit into their narrow world view seem very unimaginative and a bit stupid.

Yamantau · 04/10/2024 01:59

@PifandHercule

From a historian’s perspective, the question of whether the Illuminati is "real or not" requires an examination of historical evidence, as well as a consideration of how myth, conspiracy, and fact have intertwined over the centuries.
Historical Origins of the Illuminati

The Illuminati were, indeed, a real organization—though perhaps not in the sense that modern conspiracy theories suggest. The group commonly referred to as the Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776, in Bavaria (modern-day Germany) by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. This society, formally known as the Order of the Illuminati or Bavarian Illuminati, was a secret society that aimed to promote Enlightenment ideals, such as reason, secularism, and the separation of church and state. It was established as a counter to the perceived dominance of the Catholic Church and the monarchy in Bavarian society.

Initially, the Illuminati were a relatively small, intellectual group that sought to influence political and social reform by infiltrating other institutions, including Masonic lodges, which were already established as fraternal organizations promoting similar Enlightenment values. However, the group was short-lived. By the mid-1780s, the Bavarian government, under pressure from the Catholic Church, outlawed the Illuminati and other secret societies, fearing they would undermine established political and religious structures. As a result, the organization was disbanded, and there is no substantial historical evidence that it persisted in any significant form after this time.

While the historical Illuminati was disbanded in the late 18th century, the myth of the Illuminati took on a life of its own. In the years following the French Revolution (1789), some conservative thinkers and writers, notably Augustin Barruel and John Robison, popularized the idea that secret societies like the Illuminati had orchestrated the revolution and were behind broader attempts to overthrow traditional monarchies and the Christian church. These early conspiracy theories began to weave the Illuminati into a narrative of secretive, shadowy elites manipulating world events.

The Illuminati myth gained renewed momentum in the 20th century, particularly in the aftermath of global conflicts like the two World Wars and during periods of political and social upheaval. Various conspiracy theories suggest that the Illuminati not only survived its 18th-century suppression but evolved into a clandestine global cabal of elites who continue to manipulate world events—controlling governments, corporations, media, and even shaping cultural and social trends. Theories about the Illuminati have been popularized in literature, films, and other forms of entertainment, most famously by authors like Robert Anton Wilson and Dan Brown.

From a historian’s perspective, the evidence for the continued existence of the Illuminati beyond its suppression in the late 1700s is minimal to nonexistent. No credible historical documents or sources have emerged to substantiate the claims that the Illuminati continues to operate as a global power broker. Conspiracy theories around the Illuminati tend to rely on circumstantial connections, speculation, and a lack of verifiable evidence. They often serve as explanations for complex and often opaque geopolitical events, providing a narrative in which a small group of powerful individuals exerts control over vast swaths of society. This can be psychologically appealing to people seeking to make sense of global complexities.

Furthermore, historians generally caution against conflating historical secret societies with the modern conspiratorial image of the Illuminati. Secret societies like the Illuminati, Freemasons, and others were not uncommon in the 18th century and were often forums for discussing philosophical and political ideas. However, their influence, while notable in specific contexts, was not the monolithic, all-encompassing force depicted by later conspiracy theorists.

In conclusion, while the Illuminati were once a real organization that sought to promote Enlightenment ideals and challenge the status quo of 18th-century Bavarian society, the notion of a modern-day Illuminati controlling world events lacks credible historical evidence. The Illuminati, as it is widely understood today, exists more in the realm of myth and conspiracy than in documented historical fact. That said, the idea of powerful, hidden elites has a long history and will likely continue to capture the public imagination, particularly during times of political and social uncertainty.

Yamantau · 04/10/2024 02:02

Whatineed · 03/10/2024 21:40

Yes I believe there was a secret society who ran everything in the world, including the newspapers, they used to meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

It was the Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

Very funny

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108174/characters/nm0001439

So I Married an Axe Murderer (1993) - IMDb

So I Married an Axe Murderer (1993) Anthony LaPaglia as Tony Giardino

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108174/characters/nm0001439

CanadianJohn · 04/10/2024 05:45

Rummly · 03/10/2024 23:07

So true, I used to work with a suspiciously secretive and powerful woman called Tina Imulli.

QED.

and her close friend, Lili I-am-nut

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 04/10/2024 06:35

PifandHercule · 03/10/2024 21:33

It was in relation to all sorts of celebrities, not connected with politics as such.

It's like the episode of Frasier when he and Niles join a spa and are desperate to get behind the platinum door...
Is there something there?
Do we need to know who is behind the door?
Who is controlling us?
Well, start with anyone who manufactures arms. Then the sellers. Then the buyers. It's in many people's interests (and their bank balance) to secretly (and openly) support conflict and ensure it is happening somewhere in the world

LivelyGoldOrca · 04/10/2024 06:45

PifandHercule · 03/10/2024 20:33

I’ve been seeing a lot of online content about the Illuminati lately.
Does anyone have any first hand accounts of their existence?
So many conspiracies these days, it’s hard to know what to believe.

That’s algorithms for you.