We will dance again

[namechange11112222]

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

• UK - 885,000 deaths
• Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

• 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
• 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan

• 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

• 179 English soldiers
• 4,492 US soldiers
• 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

I've just read the thread and it is pretty clear that poster is trying rather hard to frame your comments as antisemitism, even though they were the only one mentioning religion.

Why would anyone be commenting on the Ukraine conflict on a thread regarding the conflict in the Middle East? Is it important to mention every single conflict and one's stance on it to avoid accusations and perceptions of bias?

That reminds me - this was in my feed today:

“WATCH: The emotional reunion as Fawzia Amin Sido (21), a Yazidi woman, is finally reunited with her family. She was rescued by Israeli security forces from Gaza after being kidnapped by ISIS in Iraq at the age of 11 in 2014. From Iraq, she was taken to Gaza, where she was brutally held hostage for several years by a Hamas-ISIS terrorist.“

https://x.com/standwithus/status/1841795367764979888?s=46

Seriously, deleted for saying this is the Israeli way? 🙄 Give me a break. This is a regime putting propaganda ads during children’s programmes on YouTube FFS

Israel has killed almost 30 medics in Lebanon in the past 24 hours and even bombed a cemetery. They are totally out of control

I'm pleased she was released and am very happy for her family. What she suffered especially given the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, was horrific.

Agree

It’s terrifying that people actually buy in to this propaganda and believe hamas are the greater evil when you have Israel bombing and murdering civilians across four countries simultaneously

You think Hamas are the lesser evil? Seriously?

You would elect Hamas as your leaders if the only other option was Likud?

Hamas want the complete eradication of Jews and Israel. They've stated this, couldn't have made it clearer than they have.
This is a war between the developed and the developing world and there is no negotiation with Hamas because they want to remove Israel and Jews from the planet.

Absolutely spot on.

Based on the OPs comment in first post. Do keep up.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered

It is very upsetting that innocent Israelis were attacked at a festival but you cannot seriously think that Israel's action over many decades did not lead up to it. For many years, Israel has been illegally building settlements on Palestinian land, they were killing Palestinian children long before this latest conflict and had limited the movements and controlled the rights of Palestinians for years. Palestine had been called the largest open air prison in the world. The UN has been calling Israel last actions as illegal but did nothing to stop it.

I'm sorry, but even someone with the tiniest grasp or historical knowledge is aware of this.

There was a great documentary on iplayer interviewing former members of the IDF who admit their goal was eradication of the Palestinians long before the events that took place in 2023. I must add that anyone who cares an ounce about humanity should care about the whole of humanity, Arab or Israeli, black or white.

Sorry but slaughter of children by Israel will never be forgiven or forgotten. It’s unprecedented in human history that children are the legitimate army target. Killed in such huge numbers without any remorse

Threads like this are pointless as there’s no agreement to be reached with Western leftwingers who willingly place themselves on the same side as an Islamist death cult. These people are literally our enemy.

It’s nonsense to claim Gaza was an “open air prison”, just look up the luxury car dealerships that were there!

And billions of pounds was spent on tunnel networks and terror infrastructure. Money flooded into Gaza for years.

It's an unusual genocide with a population growth

Sorry @DottieMoon Are you saying that a terrorist organisation like hamas are a lesser evil than the IDF?

Fucking hell Mumsnet

Very twisted.

Ah,.. so the 40,000 dead are adult males only. Excellent homing missiles and bullets that can discriminate and not kill children. Should get that patented pretty damn quick.

It’s a bunch of extremists at war and innocents pay the price.

I’m not a fan of Netanyahu and the Israeli gvt but I have family in Israel. They have bomb shelters everywhere including their homes. And of course the iron dome. I wish Palestine had the same but Hamas don’t care about their own people.

It’s worth remembering that there’s over 69m people living in England compared to around 7 million people living in Israel. An attack on the same scale as Oct 7th would claim over 10,000 lives. Imagine if this was perpetrated by a foreign government, not some random terrorist. The Manchester bombings aren’t comparable. Both equally devastating but a false equivalence.

But it’s exactly the opposite!! Palestinians are getting eradicated. Their children are slaughtered in crazy numbers -tens of thousands.
Israel is slaughtering civilians left right and centre all the while playing a victim (with the same exact propaganda you posted above) Self-defence, really?
I can’t even imagine what it’s like being a mother in Palestine, I literally cried for months on end watching Israelis’ atrocities