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Would your 11 year old be upset or is mine “ too sensitive “

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Treacle2024 · 29/09/2024 18:36

I’m willing for you tell me that she is and I need to stop pandering to her but I feel for her 🥹

I am going to try not drip feed
a friendship of 3 girls including daughter
we will call them Sarah ( DD ) molly ( friend 1 ) and poppy ( friend 2 )

Sarah and molly have known each other from 3 years old and were going through the same treatment as each other. We do allow them phones in which we monitor and this is because Sarah can spend a lot of time in isolation and so she has a small amount of contacts on their but mainly it’s a group call of Sara, molly and poppy.
poppy and Sarah met via molly who were friends previously but have now all been close for around 2 years. A few months ago molly’s mum decided that the girls could not chat together as a 3 anymore - there was no real reason but stated it was because she didn’t like poppy.
poppy is more mature than Sarah and molly apparently.
sarah is autistic but in a timid sort of way,
Sarah spent a lot of her pocket money on both molly and poppy for their birthdays and gave poppy hers at event we all attended.
yesterday, Sarah and molly were on the phone sat next to me and then molly said she had to go to a birthday party. Did not mention who’s and fair enough. Around an hour later they all video called her from poppy’s birthday party with the parents present. Sarah was heart broken, they were showing them their dances etc and I cut the call off.
last night I messaged the parents and said that it’s absolutely fine that Sarah was not invited but I felt it was quite mean and had upset Sarah that it was hidden and then they decided to call her during it to show her.
I was told that Sarah is just her sensitive and the girls just wanted to talk to her ! That I have my work cut out for me if she is so upset over it. Now I’m aware I will be jumped on about the phone situation but she doesn’t have the freedom that most children do and is isolated for long periods of time. These are her best friends and she will be devastated if I said right that’s enough you can’t talk to them anymore.

sorry I know that was a ramble.
is she too sensitive ?

OP posts:
Livelovebehappy · 29/09/2024 20:20

Girl friendships can notoriously be brutal. Especially when there’s three in the group. It was horrible for the others to do what they did, and they knew what they were doing and knew it would upset your dd. There’s always one in the group who is the manipulator, and is never the one left out. Sounds like, in your situation, that Poppy might might the one who is going to pull the strings here. Next week, it will probably be her and your daughter in cahoots, and Molly being left out. And on and on it goes. I would encourage your dd to make new friends, and expand her friendship group. Then she always has options. I think people under estimate how awful these types of behaviour amongst girls can be, and can lead to lots of drama and upset.

MrsSunshine2b · 29/09/2024 20:24

Treacle2024 · 29/09/2024 19:19

I’m used to the no invite to parties. She has been at her school 5 years and has been invited to 2 in that time and had one attempt at a school party for herself and only 2 turned up so that I’m used to. These 3 are usually close though … and like today they want to talk like nothing happened and seem fo want to be her friend.

My heart breaks for her, it sounds like she goes through so much and then has to put up with these petty kids who see her as an easy target when they couldn't take half of what she's been through. Reading your comments made me think of the song Paper Bag by Anna Nalick, your daughter might find it uplifting.

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Led921900 · 29/09/2024 20:28

I don’t agree with not talking to your kids about friendships actually they can be really hard and it’s better for your kids to have someone to talk to (if they want to) and how you can try and make sure they act with self respect and still maintain their self esteem. I’m not really for “let them get on with it.”

I got a bit lost in the names and who was your DD but calling her from a party she’s not invited to is cruel.

She is timid but are there any social networks or events for other autistic children? They and their parents might understand better!

Treacle2024 · 29/09/2024 20:28

nosmartphone · 29/09/2024 20:07

  1. That's nasty
  2. This is why 11 year old children shouldn't have smartphones
  3. This obsession with smartphones and likes/follows/sharing videos/calling etc shows exactly why young children and teens have such awful mental health
  4. Remove the smartphone - she'll be a lot happier in the long run.

She’s doesn’t have social media at all. She has a phone an I really can’t take it away. I weight this up a lot but by taking it away I stop sometimes the only communication she would have with people for months at a time.

I think I’m going to take the advice of focusing on Sarah’s and mollys relationship as a duo and try to sway DD away from poppy.

OP posts:
Lavender14 · 29/09/2024 20:28

Oh op I'm heartbroken for her, that's so mean! I can understand the girls calling and not maybe thinking about how that will come across in the moment but as a parent you'd try to intervene or at least have a follow up conversation about empathy.

"That I have my work cut out for me if she is so upset over it. "

This in particular really disgusted me^ that's really gaslighting nasty behaviour that not only undermines your dd for having feelings but undermines you as well. Whichever parent said this I'd be keeping at arms length and for me their card would be marked unless they came with a very heartfelt apology of their own accord.

I think as others have said, friendships at this age can be really difficult and very up and down so I think I'd be trying to broaden dds circles as much as possible so she can meet others without unleashing my rage on molly and poppy's parents incase the girls do become close again after this.

It sounds like the parents knew they were caught out and it was all a bit cold but they should have owned that and been honest about the reason for it rather than getting so defensive and attacking your dd. They really showed who they are in that moment. Better the devil you know op, I'm just so sorry that happened at all. Your dd sounds lovely.

MargaretThursday · 29/09/2024 20:28

I was in a three through secondary school and they can work, however at any one time two of us were closer. Not always the same two; we all had times of being the third one.
So, for example, if we were told to work in pairs in a lesson, we'd beg to be allowed to be a three, but if the teacher said it had to be a pair, then it would (at that point) always go the same way. Luckily for us there was another three in our form that we got on pretty well with.
We wouldn't have not invited each other to a party, but did always do things as just two if they happened that way (and not leaving the one who was currently the "third" out, even then it was probably fairly even between us). But we were always open what we were doing, and if the other asked to join in, it would have been accepted no problem.

I think what someone said about it really being two pairs: Mollie and Sarah, and Mollie and Poppy is probably closer to the mark. Particularly if Sarah is in isolation and perhaps can't do as much, then maybe Mollie (does Mollie still need to isolate etc?) and Poppy spend more time together naturally.
I'd wonder perhaps if Mollie's mum knows that they're growing apart and is trying to not have Sarah feeling left out, hence pretending they're having a pair chat for reasons where Poppy is the issue.

Would Sarah have been able to do the party? I'm just wondering if they were doing something active as you say she has leg splints and need a special chair. If she couldn't do the activities, then maybe Mollie would have also felt she had to stay with her, and then I can see that could have been awkward at Poppy's party.
I can see if that was the situation, then 11yos, who aren't known for their tact and thoughtfulness, might have thought they were being nice to call Sarah. Might they have done this a previous year if Sarah was isolating, maybe? That would mean in their eyes they might feel it was including her, especially if Mollie told Poppy that she'd come from Sarah's, then Poppy might have assumed she knew anyway.

Obviously Sarah does spent time with Mollie without Poppy too, because they were together when Mollie left. Does she spend time with Poppy on her own? Does she ever invite Poppy to things on her own?
If she doesn't then I think it really is as said upthread, two pairs of friends with a mutual one in common.

No, I don't think Sarah's being over sensitive. I think almost anyone would be upset.
But I also don't think it was necessarily mean girl behaviour.

I'd say you have a choice:

  1. Go nuclear. I suspect you'll then find Mollie goes off with Poppy. But you might not, although I doubt Mollie will drop Poppy either.
  2. As someone else suggested, love-bomb Mollie. Invite her to wonderful things, and leave Poppy out.
  3. Or try and see if Poppy will do things just with Sarah. If she feels she's really Mollie's friend that she sees for her sake, then that might change things to be a more equal three. Don't ignore Mollie, but encourage the Poppy-Sarah friendship as well.

I'd be inclined to try 3, because if Sarah has time off for isolation and can't always do things others will do, they're the age when they want a friend to be there as much as possible. So if you encourage the threesome then they will be there for Sarah when she comes back from isolation. Whereas if she's just friends with Mollie, then if she's off for a long time, there's a reasonable chance that Mollie will have moved on and not be interested in Sarah coming back.
That was one of the best things about being in a three, I found. You always had the other one if one couldn't make it/was ill.

Silvertulips · 29/09/2024 20:33

You need to let go of the best friends title and get her to make new friends - assuming they are all now in high school they need to make new friends.

Ciclical · 29/09/2024 20:34

Its not good.
Its true 11-12 has been bad. But i think it doesnt help that in our school at least friendshios are manipulated by parents.
So even if my dc are getting on well with a kid if their parenr is better friends with someone else then your kid doesnt get invited to stuff.

With 12yo weve had
lies (that dd1 said something shes sure she didnt told to the whole grouo who then cut her out of SM etc)
Not getting invited round local friends house but they do call on her (which im not averse to but some kids would think it a bit mean)
A girl in the geoup telling her to shut up (repeatedly)

Dd2 in y4 just in midst of friendships readjusting but all her other friends all had siblings who were friends so were constantly hanging out together.

Its true the parents become pushy to make sure their kid has a best friend

InSpainTheRain · 29/09/2024 20:37

To have a party without inviting your DD is a horrible thing to happen to anyone let alone an 11 year year old. Then to call her is really rubbing it in. Of course your DD is not too sensitive. I think i wouuld be talking to the mum tosee why she did that, you are unlikely to get a decent answer though. I would say cultivate other friendships for your DD.

User37482 · 29/09/2024 20:39

Thats really shitty behaviour and tbh sounds like the triangulation is being encouraged by one parent.

Your DD needs knew friends, it was an extraordinarily horrible behaviour. Not sensitive at all.

Duckinglunacy · 29/09/2024 20:42

I’m 39 next month, and I would be so upset if my friends did this to me. The adults in this situation are arseholes.

DanceMumTaxi · 29/09/2024 20:43

They’re a pair of mean little madams. Your dd has every right to be upset. I’d be upset as an adult. Not inviting her is one thing, but rubbing her nose in it is quite another. As for the parents, they’re even worse. I think Sarah needs to cut these two loose and try to find some new friends.

Beesandhoney123 · 29/09/2024 20:48

Mean. Your poor dd. I would say that its awful way to be treated and empathise. Encourage her to make new friends and not rely on these girls. I wouldn't dismiss it, because it's important your dd knows she is worthy of better friends.

NiftyKoala · 29/09/2024 20:49

stravagante · 29/09/2024 18:43

That's really spiteful of the girls and ignorant of the parents. Literally what was the point other than to make the uninvited child feel awful.

Spiteful is exactly what that was. That the mother was not upset this happened shows apple did not fall far from the tree.

Mcginty57 · 29/09/2024 20:51

That's absolutely not oversensitive the parents are heartless dicks to say that and her not being invited if they are best friends is really shit, poor girl.

Nazzywish · 29/09/2024 20:53

No OP your def right to have msgd that. The other parents are being bitches. So sorry for your dd how could they be so insensitive. Return the favour by leaving poppy out for a bday. I'm petty like that. See how they like it.

lololulu · 29/09/2024 20:58

Why would Sarah be invited to Poppy's birthday if it was known her Sarah's doesn't like her and won't allow Sarah to chat to her?

LePetitMaman · 29/09/2024 21:00

Sorry if it's already been asked, but how did DD hand Poppy her present, whilst Molly simultaneously left to attend Poppy's party?

lololulu · 29/09/2024 21:01

I must be misunderstanding as I'm the only one who thinks this way.

Youcantcallacatspider · 29/09/2024 21:01

I'm really confused. Let me see if I'm getting this right... Molly's mum didn't want the 3 of them chatting because 'Poppy is more mature' presumably being interpreted to mean she's concerned that Poppy is a bad influence? However she's allowed Molly to go to Poppy's party, effectively snub Sarah and the presumably much more wholesome friendship that Sarah and Molly share and be a straight up mean girl to Sarah. Even though you and her are quite close she's done nothing to try and clear the air with you? I get that she can't really control her kid's friendships at this age but you'd think she'd managed a quick 'so sorry OP I agree it's a bit mean of them. I've told Molly it's not on but I really have to let her make her own decisions aboit friendship at this age' am I misunderstanding something or does something not add up? Is Molly's mum being entirely honest about why she's not allowing the 3 way conversations or is she really the brains of the operation and it's Sarah she has a problem with? Otherwise why would she so openly condone Molly basically ditching her friendship with Sarah for Poppy?

Mcginty57 · 29/09/2024 21:02

I do wonder if the girls calling her and appearing happy to speak with her as normal and from the parents response if it was actually poppy's mum who decided not to invite Sarah rather than Poppy, because she does come across a total dick from her response about Sarah being left out.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 29/09/2024 21:03

Phoning her during a party she wasn't invited to and which had been hidden from her was spiteful as fuck.

Calamitousness · 29/09/2024 21:07

I wonder more about what Molly’s mums reason really was for banning the calls for three of them. It sounds like she is trying to foster a closer relationship between her daughter and Poppy and exclude your daughter. I’d be inclined to help your daughter keep her friendships with both girls if that’s what she wants. And if Molly misses out because her mother has made that decision that’s up to her. I have bad vibes about Mollys mother.

Justgorgeous · 29/09/2024 21:07

They are a bunch of arseholes, the kids and the parents. Hope your daughter is OK. X

Newsenmum · 29/09/2024 21:13

I think the other mum wasn’t thinking and is now all defensive as knows she’s done wrong. Your poor daughter.