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To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 18:52

An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

Rosie Duffield’s resignation letter in full

Rosie Duffield has quit as a Labour MP, attacking Sir Keir Starmer’s “cruel and unnecessary policies” and the freebie row engulfing the party.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

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SweetSakura · 28/09/2024 23:47

Messen · 28/09/2024 23:31

What??? This really is the lowest of the low. You cannot be serious.

Im not a labour voter but you’re implying that people who are gay or who have mental health problems are … incompetent? Unfit for public office? Oh dear oh dear.

Quite. Views straight from GB news and MAGA territory

Yorkshireblond · 28/09/2024 23:49

Response to @RickyGervaislovesdogs Yes sure, the gov website shows eligibility for pension credit https://www.gov.uk/pension-credit/eligibility and this has been well reported re labour analysis in 2017 when the tories were going to cut it, they haven’t bothered doing a more up to date impact assessment even though fuel is more expensive that in 2017 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-tory-winter-allowance-death-claims-labour-means-testing-a7774301.html

SamPM · 28/09/2024 23:51

MyCatHatesSandals · 28/09/2024 19:45

I'm a tactical voter - I tend not to belong anywhere, but when I do vote, it's after carefully weighing sometimes awful alternatives.

A few years ago, I remember listening to Keir Starmer as the incumbent leader of the opposition at PMQs - and was so fucking disappointed at his lack of coherence and charisma. All of his arguments disintegrated, felt insubstantial - and that had nothing to do with the PM at the time, and everything to do with the unforced rhetorical errors that Starmer committed over and over as he stood there. My heart sank. And then I got angry. How the hell did this man get to the position he was? It is a question I continue to ask myself. I still don't know the answer. I cannot believe that we have settled for such mediocrity, even with - especially with - a party that has vocally positioned itself as being superior.

Superior my arse. Honestly, I am furious.

Him AND Rayner. She's an uneducated moron! And David Lammy too! It's all so embarrassing. They have lost a good MP with Duffield resigning.

justasking111 · 28/09/2024 23:52

Didimum · 28/09/2024 23:27

An estimated £23bn a year in benefits goes unclaimed by pensioners who are entitled to it but aren’t claiming. They need to start doing so and then they will also get the allowance. The system needs to be fair, efficient and economic, and it has been a wasteful shambles ever since it started.

I'm trying to get a blue badge, very long form. Had to provide my head and shoulders photo, copies of correspondence from the consultant answer lots of intrusive questions twice for some reason.

They responded saying that I had to get two GP reports to corroborate the information from the consultant. And did I have more recent correspondence from the consultant.

I'm still waiting for the GP reports and my application has timed out. 14 day window.

OH also when I said that I used a walking stick, they wanted a copy of the receipt from where I purchased it, or a photograph of me using it.

How far could I walk?

I dread to think how difficult it is to apply for any benefit. Although down at a pub in Liverpool I'm reliably told for a pie and a pint there's an expert who can complete any government form successfully.

Tralalalal · 28/09/2024 23:53

hes a fanny

Yorkshireblond · 28/09/2024 23:59

SeriousFaffing · 28/09/2024 23:41

@Yorkshireblond nope, not a privileged position at all. Far from it. The point was that there’s an awful lots of pensioners out there who really, really did not need the winter fuel allowance. Nevertheless, I recognise that the threshold should have been set higher.

Edited to add, where exactly did I say I ‘only know rich pensioners’?? I’ll chat to you about the dire straits the Tories have left my mum with multiple sclerosis in, if you like?

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I totally agree with you that wealthy pensioners shouldn’t get it and it should be means tested, but the bar has been set far too low and my heart breaks for those pensioners just about that bar, I just didn’t expect it to be a labour government to do this. I also don’t agree with what the tories have done and I’m sorry about your Mum

Offtheroof · 29/09/2024 00:07

Messen · 28/09/2024 23:31

What??? This really is the lowest of the low. You cannot be serious.

Im not a labour voter but you’re implying that people who are gay or who have mental health problems are … incompetent? Unfit for public office? Oh dear oh dear.

I have to disagree. Of course there is no problem with being gay (but there is a problem if you have been lying about it unless you have a very good reason to do so when you are a politician, because dishonesty is a serious problem with the people you put your trust in). And you can't just blanket shame people for "daring" to question the ability of a person to be in charge of a country if they might have mental health problems either, (although I do aknowledge it is a really effective method of shutting down people you disagree when you don't have an intelligent argument to counter what they are saying). It really depends on the type of mental health problem they are talking about. Someone with anxiety or ocd might be perfectly fit for public office. Someone with schizophrenia? Maybe not. That is not to say anything against people with these particular mental health issues and I am in no way suggesting that Starmer suffers from either of these conditions, but I have to say I that I honestly get the impression there is possibly something wrong with his health, mental or otherwise which is impairing his decision making ability and his ability to feel empathy for the average person.

duc748 · 29/09/2024 00:10

TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 19:05

Yes.

From a political blog online..

’I cannot be alone in thinking that Starmer has now succeeded in presenting himself as without a moral compass or any political sense, let alone an understanding of what his Party is supposed to stand for months after an election in which, almost by chance and certainly only because of the absurdity of our electoral system, he won a big majority.

Being prime minister exposed Boris Johnson as the wholly inadequate man he was. It feels very much like it is doing the same thing for Starmer. Except for Starmer, this might actually be worse. Johnson's stupidity might have been an act, but it was well known in advance. Starmer played a safe, sober and sensible card. It's now apparent that he is none of those things but is possessed of poor judgement, vanity and imprudence. The revelation is sudden, shocking, and likely to be deeply damaging.

Starmer has exposed to the electorate just who he is. I get the impression they don't like what they see’ .

I've only read the first and last pages of this thread, but I think that's absolutely spot-on.

Coruscations · 29/09/2024 00:11

and filled his boots with freebies in his first few months

No, he didn't. He received gifts over a period of five years and properly declared them. There is no suggestion that the donors received anything in return. All of which contrasts massively with his predecessors who took millions from donors in return for making sure some very fat government contracts went their way, and spent millions of pounds in public money on things like luxury travel.

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 00:28

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That wasn’t just WFA. There was also a Pensioner Cost of Living payment, it was a one off. Nobody has lost £500 this year.

Didhe · 29/09/2024 00:31

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 29/09/2024 00:33

Gettingbysomehow · 28/09/2024 20:33

Us NHS staff aren't allowed to accept any freebies so why is he?
I'm certainly not against the 2 child cap though, can't afford kids then don't bloody keep dropping them out. I had one it was all I could afford. I'd have liked 4 couldn't afford 4 so tough luck.
Why does anyone need more than two?
As for heating why not just raise the bar. People who are well off should not be getting it. But they've made the bar too low.

What does anyone need more than two children? Perhaps you should quit your NHS job and move to china where your crazy views belong.

DevilledEggsies · 29/09/2024 00:34

Not only is all hope for a better country gone due to having this shower of shite in charge for the next 5 years, we also have to currently live in fear of whatever blx Reeves is going to make of the budget in two months time.

People are trying to plan for their futures while not knowing which of the apalling changes that are rumoured she’s going to announce.

I can’t believe Labour have made the country so much worse so quickly whilst doing so little.

ThatbloodyRoblox · 29/09/2024 00:34

All the uproar about the WFA ( and I do think the cut off is to low) BUT not one of you ever call out the standard allowance of Universal Credit. Why?
The under monthly rate is £81 less per month less if you are under 25. Why do under 25 year olds need less money for food and heating especially if they have children of their own. £311.68 per month. No wonder child poverty is what it is.
State pension is £221 per week by the way. Plus if no other income full Council tax reduction ( usually) if you are a benefit claimant on 311.68 a month you may be tapered to an 80% reduction.
Renting - paid via housing benefit within LHA rules
Are you concerned about the poverty of our young people who may have very young people to heat and feed?

sunflowersngunpowdr · 29/09/2024 00:34

I just hope that one day someone gives him the gift of having his adenoids out. FFS it's painful to listen to him.

wavingfuriously · 29/09/2024 00:35

Never liked Starmer. wish he wasn't PM

NonComm · 29/09/2024 00:36

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 00:37

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Winter Fuel Payments were introduced in 1997 to help pension aged people pay their heating bills. It is an annual tax-free payment of between £100 and £300, to those eligible, to help meet the costs of heating their homes in winter. From winter 2022 to 2023, an additional ‘Pensioner Cost of Living Payment’ of either £150 or £300 was paid alongside the regular Winter Fuel Payment. This payment was in addition to any other Cost of Living Payment that may have been received with their benefits or tax credits.

Cost of Living Payments 2022 to 2024

Guidance on getting extra payments to help with the cost of living from 2022 to 2024 if you were entitled to certain benefits or tax credits.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cost-of-living-payment#pensioner-cost-of-living-payment

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wavingfuriously · 29/09/2024 00:38

SamPM · 28/09/2024 23:51

Him AND Rayner. She's an uneducated moron! And David Lammy too! It's all so embarrassing. They have lost a good MP with Duffield resigning.

Agree with all of that.

XenoBitch · 29/09/2024 00:38

ThatbloodyRoblox · 29/09/2024 00:34

All the uproar about the WFA ( and I do think the cut off is to low) BUT not one of you ever call out the standard allowance of Universal Credit. Why?
The under monthly rate is £81 less per month less if you are under 25. Why do under 25 year olds need less money for food and heating especially if they have children of their own. £311.68 per month. No wonder child poverty is what it is.
State pension is £221 per week by the way. Plus if no other income full Council tax reduction ( usually) if you are a benefit claimant on 311.68 a month you may be tapered to an 80% reduction.
Renting - paid via housing benefit within LHA rules
Are you concerned about the poverty of our young people who may have very young people to heat and feed?

This.
I can't work, and get less in UC than a pensioner. People who are job seeking get even less again. And people can be on job seekers for years due to complex issues.

dandeliondandy · 29/09/2024 00:40

I saw that he was a wolf in sheep's clothing some time ago but what really put him beyond the pale for me was saying that it was OK to cut off water and electricity to a civilian population under siege. As a human rights lawyer, he knows that is against international law. The greed and sleaze hiding under the veneer of a smug, self-congratulory and snide exterior is exactly what I was expecting from someone with no moral compass. Now I am waiting for the contents of his super injunction to be blown wide open for scrutiny! I loathed the last Tory govt but no way could I bring myself to vote Labour, I simply could not override my misgivings when they were keeping absolutely schtum on pensioners and the sick and disabled. My mother said to me that she thought they had really bad things planned for the poorest in society and they were keeping quiet because they would lose the election if they let it be known and it turns out that Mum knows best!

ThatbloodyRoblox · 29/09/2024 00:46

Winter fuel payment is £2-300

www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment

dandeliondandy · 29/09/2024 00:46

SeriousFaffing · 28/09/2024 23:34

@StarDolphins 🙄🥱

So, just to be clear for all those who missed it, aside from having to manage the massive hole in the economy left by the Tories, and the importance of means testing the winter fuel allowance, the tough decisions taken mean the UK economy is about to be on the up.

’The nation's economy is poised to surge at double the pace previously expected this year’

www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1953290/bank-of-england-cut-base-rate-boost/amp

Why are they refusing FOI requests for a breakdown of the 'black hole'?

Spectre8 · 29/09/2024 00:50

CranfordScones · 28/09/2024 20:39

There's not enough money for all the things people want, and there are precious few things left to tax harder. That's the reality for any party.

As someone with a right wing bias, Starmer is garnering some grudging respect for the reality check he's giving. And he's hardly against women when you look at the number of female ministers in the cabinet.

So wh don't MPs stop using taxpayers for their subsidies and expenses. Don't you think it's disgusting they can claim expenses to pay energy bills on a second home whilst taking away wfa from those just above the threshold? These are people earning 6 figure salaries!! They can more than afford to pay their energy bills.

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