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To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 18:52

An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

Rosie Duffield’s resignation letter in full

Rosie Duffield has quit as a Labour MP, attacking Sir Keir Starmer’s “cruel and unnecessary policies” and the freebie row engulfing the party.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

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friendlycat · 29/09/2024 00:50

He’s a hypocrite
His judgement is extremely poor
He’s greedy
Announcing the doom without any uplift balance has been extremely damaging
And we’re not even at the budget yet.

His political sense is highly questionable.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 29/09/2024 00:53

Yorkshireblond · 28/09/2024 21:13

He does have a magic money tree for his own use and his mates use, it’s called Lord Alli

Ha! I missed this corker. Absolutely spot on. Grim isn’t it.

Nevermind91 · 29/09/2024 00:54

I don't understand why there's any surprise in this.
Labour MPs gorge themselves on the freebies just as much as any other. The reason it upsets us more is that they still bang on about sticking up for the ordinary person, believing that they, themselves, won't be caught with their snouts in the trough.
Being an MP comes with many privileges and opportunities to line your pockets. Just ask Cherie Blair, and she was only married to one.

dandeliondandy · 29/09/2024 00:59

FrankieStein403 · 28/09/2024 21:41

So far :
Cons:
Declared freebies
Cut winter fuel
Has not immediately dropped 2 child cap

Pros:
GB Energy,
Onshore Wind,
Junking of Cumbrian mine, Rosebank,
Climate & nature envoy,
Removal of single word OFSTED judgements,
Junked Rwanda scheme,
Multiple repatriation flights,
Junked BIBI Stockholm,
Settled rail, doctors disputes,
Withdrew objection to ICC Netanyu arrest warrants,
Suspension of Israel arms licenses,
Visits to mend relations with France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, US,
Visits to Scotland, Wales, Norther Ireland, meetings with UK Mayors,
Devolution for Hull, East Yorks, Lincolnshire,
Handling of riots,
Removal of hereditary peers,
Rail Bill,
Bus Bill,
Renters Bill,
Workers rights bill,
Initiate Finnucane enquiry,
Abortion clinic buffer zones,
Hillsborough Bill,
Not inviting Musk,
Removed Thatcher potrait :)

The Climate Envoy who happens to be linked to the offshore hedge fund Quadrature who happened to have donated 4 million to the Labour Party and who heavily invest in fossil fuels, arms manufacturers and other unethical businesses. Greenwashing capitalusm at its worst!

duc748 · 29/09/2024 01:00

friendlycat · 29/09/2024 00:50

He’s a hypocrite
His judgement is extremely poor
He’s greedy
Announcing the doom without any uplift balance has been extremely damaging
And we’re not even at the budget yet.

His political sense is highly questionable.

Mostly that. He's clearly a lousy politician, that's been clear for a while. I think it's all about the succession now. Wes Streeting lurks in the wings.

Lifesd · 29/09/2024 01:11

The writing was on the wall before they got in - the current crop of politicians on all sides is woeful and I really fear for the future of the country. It is also the fact they seem so shocked about the flack they are getting - where are the competent advisors?! The comms machine is dreadful, Reeves could have waited until the budget to reveal plans on WFA but instead revealed that hand early - it’s like watching a bunch of incompetent sixth formers play at politics.

Joystir59 · 29/09/2024 02:07

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 28/09/2024 19:22

I'm really disappointed with him. I voted for Labour because I couldn't vote Tory, and while I always knew he was ToryLiteTM he seems to be worse than I imagined.

And if any Tory voters want to gloat, save it. I'm still happy with my own MP, and would abstain rather than vote Tory. I just wish we had a more left wing party to vote for than Starmer's Labour.

Edited

Ditto

Wheelyfembot · 29/09/2024 02:42

MyCatHatesSandals · 28/09/2024 19:24

Not only is he disingenuous. He is weak. That is the worst kind of person to be in charge.

Yes, he’s exactly like the person appointed as Head of a Department at my workplace about 18 months ago. There’s barely anyone left in that department now due to his management style and total lack of knowledge and self awareness. He’s now resorting to putting his own measures in place to prevent others from leaving which push the boundaries of employment law. He’s a liability.
the similarities he has with Starmer are outstanding.

LivGo · 29/09/2024 03:13

I don't understand why people in the UK don't feel more outraged about the general lack of democracy in the UK system. Or, at least if they are, why there is such little push to change things?

An hereditary head of state, a second chamber (House of 'Lords') which is entirely unelected, and then the House of Commons which is elected using a voting system that allows for very powerful majority governments to exist even though they don't get anywhere near 50% of the popular vote. So many crap things happen because of a system that allows far too much power to be obtained with very low levels of support.

And what is the outcome? Two dominant parties which are very similar, both exploiting a system which allows them to rotate power between themselves and serve their own interests.

I do think that 'Sir' Keir is worse than the previous lot in many ways - primarily because he spent so much time claiming to be morally superior and all about 'public service' when it's so blatantly clear he didn't believe a word of it.

WooleyMunky · 29/09/2024 04:26

The Fayed issue is going to be the rope that hangs Starmer.
A lot of that is going to come out next year and he has his prints all over it.
Starmer just dodged the Savile flak, and justifiably so, but he was right in the middle of the cover-up for the Harrod's rapist.

Stopsnowing · 29/09/2024 05:14

friendlycat · 29/09/2024 00:50

He’s a hypocrite
His judgement is extremely poor
He’s greedy
Announcing the doom without any uplift balance has been extremely damaging
And we’re not even at the budget yet.

His political sense is highly questionable.

Quite.

BarkLife · 29/09/2024 05:29

@Nanny0gg

Acquiesced to the unions?

Give me a break. I've been teaching in secondary schools for 20 years and my pay has been stagnant for the last 14.

If you want public services, you have to pay for them.

Labour have been left with devastation, and it's 11 weeks in. I'm glad I don't have Keir Starmer's job.

ProgressivePilgrim · 29/09/2024 06:25

I'm a leftie. A huge supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, and voted Labour in 2017 and 2019. No way could I have voted Labour this time round, after the way they treated JC, Faiza Shaheen, Diane Abbot and others. I voted Green and I'm so glad I did. I still mourn the 2019 election result. A truly socialist government with moral and principled leaders would have improved all our lives. Such a missed opportunity 😔

DarkandStormyNightie · 29/09/2024 07:14

ProgressivePilgrim · 29/09/2024 06:25

I'm a leftie. A huge supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, and voted Labour in 2017 and 2019. No way could I have voted Labour this time round, after the way they treated JC, Faiza Shaheen, Diane Abbot and others. I voted Green and I'm so glad I did. I still mourn the 2019 election result. A truly socialist government with moral and principled leaders would have improved all our lives. Such a missed opportunity 😔

How can you have a truly socialist government operating under a monarchy that fundamentally upholds the class system? That was never going to happen.

I'm politically homeless but this country feels like the emperors new clothes. Starmer going after privilege is such a staggeringly hypocritical premise. He's a multi millionaire, supported and happily Knighted by a class based system designed to support class privilege. He's literally on the side of the privileged with every aspect of his life.

I fear the backlash against this new government will push this country much further right at the next election. If more scandals pop up and Starmer is forced to resign, it will be inevitable.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 07:32

justasking111 · 28/09/2024 23:52

I'm trying to get a blue badge, very long form. Had to provide my head and shoulders photo, copies of correspondence from the consultant answer lots of intrusive questions twice for some reason.

They responded saying that I had to get two GP reports to corroborate the information from the consultant. And did I have more recent correspondence from the consultant.

I'm still waiting for the GP reports and my application has timed out. 14 day window.

OH also when I said that I used a walking stick, they wanted a copy of the receipt from where I purchased it, or a photograph of me using it.

How far could I walk?

I dread to think how difficult it is to apply for any benefit. Although down at a pub in Liverpool I'm reliably told for a pie and a pint there's an expert who can complete any government form successfully.

Lodge a complaint with your local authority - that’s far beyond what you would need even to support a PIP application and if you have a consultant’s report why does your GP have to corroborate it ? If your application was in danger of timing out and they wanted more information they should have either contacted your GP themselves or invited you in for a face to face assessment. They are also not supposed to ask you to provide any evidence for which you would have to pay. This sounds like the runaround and l would be making the loudest complaint and referencing the equality Act 2010 with regard to the fairness of their process.

Have you actually thought about claiming PIP for your mobility problems. If you achieve 8 points in the moving around category you would automatically qualify for a blue badge with no further requirement for the LA. I was a disability outreach worker and can advise further if you PM me.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 29/09/2024 07:33

Novaavon · 28/09/2024 20:44

@WrigglyDonCat I had no idea Liam Conlon had been given a ministerial position. A brand new MP with no experience? Absolutely shocking. He needs to focus on his constituents and learning to be a good constituency MP first.

He's not a minister. He's a parliamentary private secretary.

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 07:35

duc748 · 29/09/2024 00:10

I've only read the first and last pages of this thread, but I think that's absolutely spot-on.

Tbf I found that obvious pre GE, it was like watching people be conned

Roystonv · 29/09/2024 07:45

Was musing in bed last night and thought exactly what so many are saying. It is almost as though he intended to get it wrong and straight away. Anyone could have told him the result of his decisions/behaviour but he went ahead. Very sad, I had hoped that his background together with good advisors would have helped the country. Heaven help us; I am quite scared.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 07:51

Offtheroof · 29/09/2024 00:07

I have to disagree. Of course there is no problem with being gay (but there is a problem if you have been lying about it unless you have a very good reason to do so when you are a politician, because dishonesty is a serious problem with the people you put your trust in). And you can't just blanket shame people for "daring" to question the ability of a person to be in charge of a country if they might have mental health problems either, (although I do aknowledge it is a really effective method of shutting down people you disagree when you don't have an intelligent argument to counter what they are saying). It really depends on the type of mental health problem they are talking about. Someone with anxiety or ocd might be perfectly fit for public office. Someone with schizophrenia? Maybe not. That is not to say anything against people with these particular mental health issues and I am in no way suggesting that Starmer suffers from either of these conditions, but I have to say I that I honestly get the impression there is possibly something wrong with his health, mental or otherwise which is impairing his decision making ability and his ability to feel empathy for the average person.

So what you’re saying is that the Equality Act 2010 which covers the rights of everyone in the UK with a long term health condition shouldn’t apply to anyone seeking public office ? The Act forbids employers to even hint about job candidates health, never mind questioning their ability because of it. Even if it’s perfectly obvious that they have a health condition or disability. The Act requires that health and disability not be a factor in deciding if someone is suitable for a job. Unless the person declares it, it’s nobody’s business but their own. That also applies to sexuality among other things.

And if we’re talking about the ability to feel empathy for the average person, l didn’t see much, if any of that from the Tories. Especially during Covid. Lots of hand wringing and sombre words in public from Boris while the partying continued unabated behind closed doors.

Staunchlystarling · 29/09/2024 08:04

BarkLife · 29/09/2024 05:29

@Nanny0gg

Acquiesced to the unions?

Give me a break. I've been teaching in secondary schools for 20 years and my pay has been stagnant for the last 14.

If you want public services, you have to pay for them.

Labour have been left with devastation, and it's 11 weeks in. I'm glad I don't have Keir Starmer's job.

For gods sake. Left with devastation? What and you think he’s going to fix it, ask the pensioners this winter just how much devastation he’s causing, whilst wearing his free clothes and enjoying tens of thousands of freebies

Brahumbug · 29/09/2024 08:04

2k2j · 28/09/2024 22:29

He was sold as some sort of upstanding moral leader.

He might have stayed within the law by accepting fancy clothes, tickets and shit, but he certainly hasn't shown good morals.

The previous administration is also irrelevant. Just because they had gifts/were corrupt does not mean it's ok to do to a much lesser degree. It's all snout in the trough wrongness IMO.

The previous administration is extremely relevant. They are claiming it is corruption, it is not if it was done within the rules, that is the difference. Whether any politician should accept gifts is a different issue.

Staunchlystarling · 29/09/2024 08:07

Brahumbug · 29/09/2024 08:04

The previous administration is extremely relevant. They are claiming it is corruption, it is not if it was done within the rules, that is the difference. Whether any politician should accept gifts is a different issue.

What gifts did Rishi take?

because Boris took donations, to decorate Downing Street, and he lied, and the country was outraged and he went.

so kiers done the same, taken donations and lied, what’s the difference? Him and raynor wear Labour hats?

Brahumbug · 29/09/2024 08:08

Dorisbonson · 28/09/2024 22:21

What you have said appears to be incorrect.

It appears that he has broken 2 electoral laws at least and potentially others.

I don't see that he is any different to any other corrupt MP from any other party.

It is alleged he broke towards rules, but neither had been upheld yet. Remember the Tories prorogued parliament for their own purposes, the ultimate in self serving corruption.

Catlover1705 · 29/09/2024 08:13

All that son of a toolmaker crap, the guy is a greedy and emotionless idiot.

ProgressivePilgrim · 29/09/2024 08:19

DarkandStormyNightie · 29/09/2024 07:14

How can you have a truly socialist government operating under a monarchy that fundamentally upholds the class system? That was never going to happen.

I'm politically homeless but this country feels like the emperors new clothes. Starmer going after privilege is such a staggeringly hypocritical premise. He's a multi millionaire, supported and happily Knighted by a class based system designed to support class privilege. He's literally on the side of the privileged with every aspect of his life.

I fear the backlash against this new government will push this country much further right at the next election. If more scandals pop up and Starmer is forced to resign, it will be inevitable.

Edited

I used the word 'socialist' in a broad sense. I actually think a Corbyn-led government would have been socially democratic rather than truly socialist. Because of the constraints imposed by the system, which would have limited change. But, it'd certainly have been better than a Tory or LINO (Labour in Name Only) government, that's for sure!

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