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To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 18:52

An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

Rosie Duffield’s resignation letter in full

Rosie Duffield has quit as a Labour MP, attacking Sir Keir Starmer’s “cruel and unnecessary policies” and the freebie row engulfing the party.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 01/10/2024 18:02

EasternStandard · 01/10/2024 15:23

Well I can and have

All those who joined in with the great take down of the last gov can enjoy their version

Plus there is no leniency from the media, partygate would have brought in loads of £

Edited

Absolutely right. They hate it when the tables are turned 😂. Tough.

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2024 18:06

TriesNotToBeCynical · 01/10/2024 16:19

On a practical point, the means tests used for pension credit and UC are well established, complex, invasive and expensive, but necessary for the sort of benefit scheme we have. (Universal income is an alternative, for another discussion). But to set up a new means test with a different cut off just for the relatively small WFA would probably cost more than it saves. You can't just use the same forms and data. That's probably why it was universal in the first place, and no one previously has changed it - it's really only by using an existing means test that it can be done. The alternative, which I favour, is just to give it to everyone.

It could have been set at the same level as the personal allowance for income tax. No forms necessary and the data is readily available.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 01/10/2024 18:16

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2024 18:06

It could have been set at the same level as the personal allowance for income tax. No forms necessary and the data is readily available.

So they'd get it even if they had ten million pounds in savings? What if they didn't do a tax return or didn't have a PAYE identity because they were living off savings? You may think it's simple ...

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2024 18:20

Everyone has a PAYE identity, it’s linked to your national insurance number. The vast majority of pensioners who wouldn’t be entitled to WFA are those with private pensions. How likely is it that someone has £10 million in savings and no taxable income?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 01/10/2024 18:53

Indeed…and outside an ISA savings interest income on much over £250k would mean you should probably do a tax return anyway as the interest is likely to exceed then annual allowance. It was much simpler when all interest income had tax deducted at source unless you applied for it to be paid gross, which then put you on HMRCs radar. Though I assume they still get the info from banks anyway?

Technically not everyone has a PAYÉ identity against which a tax code can be applied, which is why savings interest requires a tax return. But everyone should have UTR, tied to their NI number. If there are people (I am sure there are) that have income that they don’t declare to HMRC then they can’t expect to get the benefits of the welfare state IMO!!

Nevertheless, at the level set for withdrawal of the WFA, a million more people will be pushed into fuel poverty so a little more thought as to the impact and mitigating it would have been good. Charities in the sector are flat out at the moment dealing with worried pensioners.

Tartantotty · 01/10/2024 19:04

Just sorry I voted for Labour. The greed is staggering as is the hypocrisy. Rosie Duffield's letter says it all. Brave and principled woman.

pleasehelpwi3 · 01/10/2024 23:30

Tartantotty · 01/10/2024 19:04

Just sorry I voted for Labour. The greed is staggering as is the hypocrisy. Rosie Duffield's letter says it all. Brave and principled woman.

So you'd go back to voting Tory (if that's who you voted before, apologies if not) and cutting maternity pay, resurrecting the Rwanda scheme and joining Russia and Belarus as the only European countries outside the ECHR? Oh and suggesting the SAS deal with terrorism through extrajudicial killings.....that's what the Tory leadership hopefuls are proposing at the moment.

Surely if you voted Labour just a few months ago you understood just how much the Tories fucked up the economy, and were outraged by the industrial-level corruption of covid contracts to mates, and the illegality of Partygate. Sure the clothes from a friend is not a good look, but it's not illegal and has been declared, and is a drop in the ocean compared to the billions wasted during Covid of our taxpayers' cash, however much of a deal the rightwing press tries to make of it.
Rosie Duffield is eloquent, but is no friend of the Labour leadership.

Marchintospring · 01/10/2024 23:58

"The pensioners have done very well under previous Govts to date and have hardly ever had to face the sort of cuts and austerity measures that all other demographics have had to. Now a huge fuss over a couple hundred quid that even the wealthiest boomer has been getting for years!"

Thats not true. The 70's were difficult times, everyone for themselves in the 80's - no minimum wage, the 90's had a massive crash, interest rates were sky high. Really hard to claim any benefits and they were much stricter with paperwork so the poor we're properly shafted.
Anything boomers have will have been worked for. Some won't need it but it would be easier and cheaper to set up something for people to opt out if they wanted to.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 02/10/2024 18:14

Tartantotty · 01/10/2024 19:04

Just sorry I voted for Labour. The greed is staggering as is the hypocrisy. Rosie Duffield's letter says it all. Brave and principled woman.

Yep, I’ve got terrible buyer’s remorse too.

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2024 18:16

but it would be easier and cheaper to set up something for people to opt out if they wanted to.

Can you see that happening because I can’t.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 02/10/2024 18:30

Tartantotty · 01/10/2024 19:04

Just sorry I voted for Labour. The greed is staggering as is the hypocrisy. Rosie Duffield's letter says it all. Brave and principled woman.

Yes, she's got lots of principles; always a spare set for when the original ones don't work out.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/10/2024 18:59

TriesNotToBeCynical · 01/10/2024 16:19

On a practical point, the means tests used for pension credit and UC are well established, complex, invasive and expensive, but necessary for the sort of benefit scheme we have. (Universal income is an alternative, for another discussion). But to set up a new means test with a different cut off just for the relatively small WFA would probably cost more than it saves. You can't just use the same forms and data. That's probably why it was universal in the first place, and no one previously has changed it - it's really only by using an existing means test that it can be done. The alternative, which I favour, is just to give it to everyone.

Yep. I agree. I’ve always thought means testing is a race to the bottom - it’s expensive to administer, the cut off has to come somewhere and there will always be those in genuine need who just miss it and lose out big time as a result. So some pensioners may not need the WFA, but in my view that’s something to be taken in stride when the amounts we’re talking about are relatively small. From the posting over on Gransnet it would seem that many of the more well off pensioners give their allowance to charity, so I think many people are going to lose out because of means testing.

TerraFirmaTethered · 02/10/2024 19:03

twistyizzy · 01/10/2024 15:29

Wow talk about using hyperbole "mumsnet agitator". I bet you were one of the rabid Labour supporters gloating about the "adults are back in charge" after the election? The majority of whom are now mysteriously quiet

But it's okay for you to call individuals "rabid Labour supporters"? Really? Pots and kettles come to mind.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/10/2024 19:05

TerraFirmaTethered · 02/10/2024 19:03

But it's okay for you to call individuals "rabid Labour supporters"? Really? Pots and kettles come to mind.

To be fair that poster was rude to quite a few posters and was deleted a number of times for personal attack.

twistyizzy · 02/10/2024 19:08

TerraFirmaTethered · 02/10/2024 19:03

But it's okay for you to call individuals "rabid Labour supporters"? Really? Pots and kettles come to mind.

That poster was deleted for pretty aggressive attacks. The only time I've been sworn at on here is by Labour supporters when I've criticised 1 of their policies. There is certainly a vocal minority of Labour supporters on here who simply can not stand anyone questioning Labour and will viciously attack anyone who does so.

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 19:11

twistyizzy · 02/10/2024 19:08

That poster was deleted for pretty aggressive attacks. The only time I've been sworn at on here is by Labour supporters when I've criticised 1 of their policies. There is certainly a vocal minority of Labour supporters on here who simply can not stand anyone questioning Labour and will viciously attack anyone who does so.

True

TerraFirmaTethered · 02/10/2024 21:29

Rosscameasdoody · 02/10/2024 19:05

To be fair that poster was rude to quite a few posters and was deleted a number of times for personal attack.

That doesn't justify references to 'rabid Labour supporters'. It goes both ways.

TerraFirmaTethered · 02/10/2024 21:30

twistyizzy · 02/10/2024 19:08

That poster was deleted for pretty aggressive attacks. The only time I've been sworn at on here is by Labour supporters when I've criticised 1 of their policies. There is certainly a vocal minority of Labour supporters on here who simply can not stand anyone questioning Labour and will viciously attack anyone who does so.

It definitely goes both ways. Have your posts never criticised posters who don't agree with your views on VAT? I think they have.

justasking111 · 02/10/2024 22:58

Raynors Ibiza trip was a gift freebie allegedly.

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2024 23:03

justasking111 · 02/10/2024 22:58

Raynors Ibiza trip was a gift freebie allegedly.

Even The Express isn’t saying that. Apparently she spent one evening in a prestigious nightclub frequented by celebrities on a complimentary ticket. Don’t you think this is getting a bit ridiculous now?

foxandbee · 02/10/2024 23:12

justasking111 · 02/10/2024 22:58

Raynors Ibiza trip was a gift freebie allegedly.

Link, please?

OonaStubbs · 03/10/2024 00:21

Why are Labour MPs accepting freebies at all? Wasn't their USP being different to the Tories?

nOasistickets · 03/10/2024 00:25

😂 £6k back only? Sure he owes loads more ….

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2024 00:26

nOasistickets · 03/10/2024 00:25

😂 £6k back only? Sure he owes loads more ….

He doesn’t “owe” anything. He’s accepted donations that have now been returned.

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