To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

I am beginning to think he is every bit a liar as Johnson.

Ahhh guido Fawkes, that esteemed impartial journalistic source 😂

I have the popcorn out ready to see it all unravel. I can’t believe how soon it’s unravelling though- they are doing what they complained the tories did.

I also think they just seem nasty. Can’t put my finger on it - but they won’t listen to anyone and are insistent on ploughing ahead with unpopular policies.

I also can’t stand them saying there’s tough times ahead. We’ve been through Covid, a cost of living, people can’t take much more. And by them saying those words that we have more tough decisions to come etc it effects normal peoples day to days lives as everyone’s scared they’ll make us poorer , when we’re working all hours as it is and can’t afford to lose any more money .

So yeah not impressed - oh and Starmer has a horrible boring droning voice .

An estimated £23bn a year in benefits goes unclaimed by pensioners who are entitled to it but aren’t claiming. They need to start doing so and then they will also get the allowance. The system needs to be fair, efficient and economic, and it has been a wasteful shambles ever since it started.

You haven’t seen enough of Keir yet. Give it time.

Yes - Labours levelling down plan seems to be going well. It is of some comfort that his own party hates him as much as I do.

@Didimum agree. Extended family are lightheartedly joking that they’ve lost their Xmas wine fund.

Exactly, only pensioners on under £11400 will still get winter fuel allowance, those on £1 above will not, the bar is set far too low. Age concern know it, unite know it, labours own analysis estimates 4000 pensioners will freeze to death due to the cut

Never in a million years, but tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. I am not taking sides or talking about whether you vote left or right when I say this. I am just saying that in my experience over the past thirty or forty years, never has there been a prime minister so utterly despised - not only by the public, but by members of his own party, within such a short space of time of coming into power than Starmer. He has the cold, dead eyed, empty stare of a sociopath, a look that makes Johnston, Sunak and Blair look positively angelic in comparison, and that's saying something. The sooner we move away from identity politics and start looking at the individual character profiles of the people we are trusting to run the country, the better.

What??? This really is the lowest of the low. You cannot be serious.

Im not a labour voter but you’re implying that people who are gay or who have mental health problems are … incompetent? Unfit for public office? Oh dear oh dear.

I’ve seen as much as anyone else on this thread, unless you want to post pics of your crystal ball. So yes thanks, my opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s.

You must be in a privileged position to only know rich pensioners and not see the reality of pensioner poverty and the harm this will inflict, I sadly know of pensioners just above the threshold that won’t qualify for pension credit and will literally have to choose to heat or eat

I am not implying those things, merely drawing to your attention that things like that are being said and will spread wider soon.

@StarDolphins 🙄🥱

So, just to be clear for all those who missed it, aside from having to manage the massive hole in the economy left by the Tories, and the importance of means testing the winter fuel allowance, the tough decisions taken mean the UK economy is about to be on the up.

’The nation's economy is poised to surge at double the pace previously expected this year’

www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1953290/bank-of-england-cut-base-rate-boost/amp

@RickyGervaislovesdogs could you share where this information has come from?

Starmer, like Blair, is just Tory lite. Certainly better than the Tories but if anyone was hoping for a truly left wing or even centre left government you'll be disappointed. Personally if the 'black hole' is as big as they say I think it would be a bit bonkers to lift the 2 child cap. It's been long enough now that people know that if they have more than 2 children they won't get CB and I wouldn't think we want to encourage people to have more than 2 children really for environmental factors alone. The winter fuel payments could have a higher threshold but as has been pointed out many times they haven't risen much for years and no one was bothered. They were brought in originally at a time when pensioners were a very poor demographic, now they're one of the wealthier ones. All of this is a storm in a teacup.

I wasn't a fan of Tony Blair and he did some bad things, but he was much more preferable than Starmer. Starmer comes across as very slippery. A lot of people are worried about the upcoming budget announcement.

He didn't care about pensions, has been taking all the freebies and luxuries he can get, then he's going to punish us with higher taxes! He is awful.

Yeah, maybes go back to writing for the Daily Excess or Fail. Or find another forum with a lower average education level. You’re pitching this wrong, mate.

@Yorkshireblond nope, not a privileged position at all. Far from it. The point was that there’s an awful lots of pensioners out there who really, really did not need the winter fuel allowance. Nevertheless, I recognise that the threshold should have been set higher.

Edited to add, where exactly did I say I ‘only know rich pensioners’?? I’ll chat to you about the dire straits the Tories have left my mum with multiple sclerosis in, if you like?

And millions don't. And because of the last government fucking up the economy, the country can't afford to pay WFA to everyone. Also, why should wealthy middle class get WFA in the first place- it should go to those in need.
It's really odd how Starmer is being blamed for the consequences of decisions taken by Truss, Boris et al .

Are you honestly saying that you believe that if even if all pensioners claimed everything they could that @RickyGervaislovesdogs is correct and most pensioners will still get winter fuel payments i.e they will be claiming pension credit?

@pleasehelpwi3 hear, hear!

I am sorry, but this is just wrong.
Partygate- Boris
Mini Budget- Truss
Both prime ministers were far more despised than Starmer is right now.

Great so we turned the 22 billion black hole into 50 bill. Great job.

Honestly this is why I am increasingly disparing. Yes everyone is angry. In the last few weeks I have seen this anger in my town increase. It’s almost contagious.

We are averaging about 1 fatality a week (for the past 6 or so weeks) from serious traffic accidents in a town which previously had about 2 or 3 a year.

I had a woman go crazy at me in the street for loading my toddler into a car which meant she had to wait one second on a pavement. Never happened in the half decade I have lived here. My in-law same day had their windscreen smashed whilst driving for absolutely no reason. I can literally hear a street brawl out the window as we speak.

Yet clearly people do have a lot of disposable income still; or we wouldn’t have £10 bottles of olive oil and £5 butters still exponentially rising.

I just did a UC calculation. Turns out we are entitled to £650 a month?! Yet we live reasonably comfortably without claiming. (Albeit can’t afford a pension or savings currently as renovating and paying nursery fees).

My partner and I honestly cannot work out whether we are the richest we know or the poorest. You have some of the country living on normal taxes, some with various tax credits, legacy benefits, some with UC, some with student loan tax, some with pensions, some with pension credit, some with housing benefits, the special tax/ exemption or top up for someone born in 1973 with 4 Siamese cats.

It’s honestly insane. I swear they are doing it on purpose. Divide and conquer. Top some people up, drain others. Confuse the hell out of everyone.

Seriously? You don’t think the economy is on the up because that’s what Labour inherited? You think Labour have done this? Jeez.

And the importance of means testing the WFA is so great that…10 months ago Labour vehemently opposed it!

But it’s the hypocrisy that’s so nauseating. Even if you overlook the clothes, the luxury property use, the tickets to Arsenal and Taylor Swift, and all the other freebies, the crony appointments by the holier-than-thou party are outstandingly shitty.