Page 14 | To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:17

5byfive · 28/09/2024 22:15

They do count, they show how much support there might be for a new movement to represent them.

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They showed they don’t care enough to walk to the polling station.

Kitte321 · 28/09/2024 22:19

Abstractthinking · 28/09/2024 22:05

This thread is insane. You can not judge a government of 2-3 months as incompetent or corrupt.

The press in the uk are right wing. They are stoking up a scandal where there is none. Everything starmer is being accused of has been done, excused and mostly ignored before by the conservative party. But when Labour does similar to a much less degree and it becomes a huge ridiculous scandal.

The covid enquiry results are out. There will be more consquences of the conservative negligence / mismanagement coming to light. There is a dying conservative party. And most importantly there will tax reforms.

People are getting stupidly angry about declared clothes and stuff (did you care how much individual tories spend their money on and what - when they actually did declare it?). The general public is being manipulated by much much richer and more powerful people. They are just useful idiots.

I believe all this whipped up shit is to show kier starmer how they can turn public opinion if he tries to take their money (and hide and / or transfer blame of more tory fuck ups when they come to light). And most of the pps on this thread are falling for it. Think your life has got suddenly much worse now (in the last 2 months since labour got in [moron emoij])? Wait and see what happens if the tories get in again.

“But when labour does similar to a much less degree”
Wrong is wrong. If you go into a shop and steal £5, or £50, you are still stealing and you are still dishonest. People are sick of politicians who are dishonest, and show themselves as entirely selfish. This is made all the worst by everything Starmer said during the election. Sanctimonious and hypocritical. Not a great combination.

IcedPurple · 28/09/2024 22:19

Marchintospring · 28/09/2024 22:16

I remember listening to a programme on radio 4 about KS before he came to power and someone political said we needed to look to his start in politics. His views at Uni were very hardline and nothing like the Blair lite idealism I think people were expecting. The guy said we'd all be surprised at what he stood for. I wish I could remember more of it as he was exactly right.

The guy said we'd all be surprised at what he stood for.

What would surprise me is that he stood for anything at all.

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 28/09/2024 22:20

EasternStandard · 28/09/2024 22:05

Really can you say why?

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Re the wfa. Martin Lewis has gone so far as to say it’s expected to be overturned.

Dorisbonson · 28/09/2024 22:21

Brahumbug · 28/09/2024 22:17

All of the gifts Keir Starmer had accepted have been within the rules, unlike many in the previous administration. There is hypocrisy, but not his, it is the Tory press.

What you have said appears to be incorrect.

It appears that he has broken 2 electoral laws at least and potentially others.

I don't see that he is any different to any other corrupt MP from any other party.

Julen7 · 28/09/2024 22:21

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:17

They showed they don’t care enough to walk to the polling station.

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Not a question of not caring, more being completely flummoxed at having to vote for one of the dire choices available

EvilNextDoor · 28/09/2024 22:22

Of course he’s incompetent - it’s an absolute shit show…and I say that with no love for the Tory party either.

however people are stupid enough to believe the lies the trot out 🤷‍♀️ anyone who did any kind of research would have figured it out

5byfive · 28/09/2024 22:23

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:17

They showed they don’t care enough to walk to the polling station.

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Why do you think that? I voted every election until about 10 years ago. I would love for someone to stand who aligns with my views. I can’t stand myself due to a family conflict of interest (or at least the local press would think so).

I’m not voting for a grifter in it purely for themselves who is more aligned to the wef/un/who than the British people.

ChallahPlaiter · 28/09/2024 22:24

Babadookinthewardrobe · 28/09/2024 22:10

Blatant whataboutery here. The poster you’re trying to patronise is absolutely right. Where are the female Labour Party leaders? No such thing. Do as I say not as I do - that’s the labour motto.

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When people have different views to you, do you always immediately accuse them of being patronising? That’s ironic, although I suppose it’s easier than addressing their points.
We have a female Chancellor and the next Labour leader will be a woman. Honestly the fact that it’s long overdue isn’t quite the killer blow you think it is.

2k2j · 28/09/2024 22:24

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:17

They showed they don’t care enough to walk to the polling station.

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Wrong - I have not voted on more than one occasion. Because I thought the choices were appalling. Nothing to do with sitting on my arse.

JustWalkingTheDogs · 28/09/2024 22:25

Someone said that he's like the dog who chases the squirrel, catches it then doesn't know what to do with it. Seemed to sum up Starmer and his election campaign and win in a nutshell shell.

Brahumbug · 28/09/2024 22:25

@Kitte321
Wrong is wrong. If you go into a shop and steal £5, or £50, you are still stealing and you are still dishonest. People are sick of politicians who are dishonest, and show themselves as entirely selfish. This is made all the worst by everything Starmer said during the election. Sanctimonious and hypocritical. Not a great combination.

But what are they stealing to use your analogy?
All of the gifts received have been within the rules. Starmer's criticisms were for Tory corruption, accepting gifts that broke the rules, completely different situation. Funny how gifts are now an issue for the press, now that it is a labour government and was never raised under the Tories

Rosscameasdoody · 28/09/2024 22:25

Dorisbonson · 28/09/2024 22:21

What you have said appears to be incorrect.

It appears that he has broken 2 electoral laws at least and potentially others.

I don't see that he is any different to any other corrupt MP from any other party.

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Not to mention accepting more freebies than any other politician.

AbstractArtist · 28/09/2024 22:25

TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 19:17

Yes. The hypocrisy, incompetence, acceptance of gifts, lack of care for the vulnerable, and the RD resignation - all somewhat send a sense of impending political doom.

On the plus side for some, the VAT on school fees probably won’t happen. Although that’s already fcked up some vulnerable kids who’ve had to move schools already. Despicable.

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My children are in state school (nephew in private) but what makes you say the VAT on private now is unlikely to happen?

OonaStubbs · 28/09/2024 22:27

MPs should not be accepting gifts, full stop. They should not get expenses either. They are very well paid for what they do. If they can't live on their salary, they should seek better-paid employment elsewhere.

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:28

Rosscameasdoody · 28/09/2024 22:25

Not to mention accepting more freebies than any other politician.

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That isn’t true. More than any other MP in this parliament and it’s over the last five years. A five year period in which Johnson was an MP and whose “freebie” total makes everyone else’s pale into insignificance. It’s a right wing media distortion of facts.

Dunnoburt · 28/09/2024 22:29

Y'all wanted him!.......man's an arse!

2k2j · 28/09/2024 22:29

Brahumbug · 28/09/2024 22:17

All of the gifts Keir Starmer had accepted have been within the rules, unlike many in the previous administration. There is hypocrisy, but not his, it is the Tory press.

He was sold as some sort of upstanding moral leader.

He might have stayed within the law by accepting fancy clothes, tickets and shit, but he certainly hasn't shown good morals.

The previous administration is also irrelevant. Just because they had gifts/were corrupt does not mean it's ok to do to a much lesser degree. It's all snout in the trough wrongness IMO.

Kitte321 · 28/09/2024 22:30

Brahumbug · 28/09/2024 22:25

@Kitte321
Wrong is wrong. If you go into a shop and steal £5, or £50, you are still stealing and you are still dishonest. People are sick of politicians who are dishonest, and show themselves as entirely selfish. This is made all the worst by everything Starmer said during the election. Sanctimonious and hypocritical. Not a great combination.

But what are they stealing to use your analogy?
All of the gifts received have been within the rules. Starmer's criticisms were for Tory corruption, accepting gifts that broke the rules, completely different situation. Funny how gifts are now an issue for the press, now that it is a labour government and was never raised under the Tories

Well, I think there is some disagreement about whether all of the rules have been followed. Even putting that to one side, can you really not see the hypocrisy? Do you really not recognise the conflict of interest?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 28/09/2024 22:30

ChallahPlaiter · 28/09/2024 22:24

When people have different views to you, do you always immediately accuse them of being patronising? That’s ironic, although I suppose it’s easier than addressing their points.
We have a female Chancellor and the next Labour leader will be a woman. Honestly the fact that it’s long overdue isn’t quite the killer blow you think it is.

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No, it was your patronising post that I previously quoted that led to me calling you patronising. Hope that clears things up.

It certainly is long overdue. And the fact that labour FINALLY and begrudgingly have a female chancellor is not the killer blow you clearly think it is, it’s only taken them 40 years. Not forgetting their ongoing misogyny towards eg Rosie Duffield. She’s just left the party, colour me shocked.

Dorisbonson · 28/09/2024 22:30

Brahumbug · 28/09/2024 22:25

@Kitte321
Wrong is wrong. If you go into a shop and steal £5, or £50, you are still stealing and you are still dishonest. People are sick of politicians who are dishonest, and show themselves as entirely selfish. This is made all the worst by everything Starmer said during the election. Sanctimonious and hypocritical. Not a great combination.

But what are they stealing to use your analogy?
All of the gifts received have been within the rules. Starmer's criticisms were for Tory corruption, accepting gifts that broke the rules, completely different situation. Funny how gifts are now an issue for the press, now that it is a labour government and was never raised under the Tories

What about the electoral laws he broke? The same laws he didn't just break a little bit but looks he absolutely ignored and didn't care about.

Based on what has been said he should be facing a court case relating to electoral fraud.

Very hard to trust him.

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/09/2024 22:31

It’s just so disappointing. I am not a member of any party. Have voted for labour and conservative over the years. I voted for an independent candidate this time. When Labour won , I thought they were probably the best of a bad lot. Turns out they are just the same as the rest of the bad lot.

2k2j · 28/09/2024 22:31

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:28

That isn’t true. More than any other MP in this parliament and it’s over the last five years. A five year period in which Johnson was an MP and whose “freebie” total makes everyone else’s pale into insignificance. It’s a right wing media distortion of facts.

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It's not distortion of facts. He accepted fancy shit. Morally he should have accepted nothing. Do you really think he should measure his freebie getting relative to Johnson? Come on. No freebies - it just smacks of corruption.

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2024 22:37

2k2j · 28/09/2024 22:31

It's not distortion of facts. He accepted fancy shit. Morally he should have accepted nothing. Do you really think he should measure his freebie getting relative to Johnson? Come on. No freebies - it just smacks of corruption.

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It’s distortion of facts. He hasn’t accepted more donations than any other politician. That’s the fact.

Meanwhile this has apparently been forgotten. Try this for corruption.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-richard-desmond-housing-tory-donor-westferry-a9631876.html

Housing minister admits deliberately helping Tory donor avoid £45m tax bill on development

Housing minister says his actions on the Westferry scheme were consistent with ‘natural justice’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-richard-desmond-housing-tory-donor-westferry-a9631876.html

ChallahPlaiter · 28/09/2024 22:38

Babadookinthewardrobe · 28/09/2024 22:30

No, it was your patronising post that I previously quoted that led to me calling you patronising. Hope that clears things up.

It certainly is long overdue. And the fact that labour FINALLY and begrudgingly have a female chancellor is not the killer blow you clearly think it is, it’s only taken them 40 years. Not forgetting their ongoing misogyny towards eg Rosie Duffield. She’s just left the party, colour me shocked.

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Perhaps you believe tokenism is the most important thing but actually I think it’s pretty patronising to say that the mere fact of having a woman or ethnic minority party leader/PM is all that matters. The point is to use that position wisely. How has Sunak advanced the position of British Asians? What did Truss or May or Thatcher do for women?